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The vaccines are not experimental, they are not rushed and they are not untested.
Operation 'Warp Speed' simply bypassed the first step of waiting for initial approvals before allocating funds for further development. Under normal conditions there would have been a pause while the government was assessing the relative merits of the various competing vaccines and awarding developmental funds to one winner. Instead they went ahead and awarded funds to several at the same time for simultaneous further testing and development, saving probably three months in the process.
As I understand it the Pfizer vaccine did not rely on federal funds so they were not affected by this. They still had to present test results for safety approval.
The emergency use authorization came after the various vaccines were shown to be demonstrably safe, and not before. This is why the authorizations came on different dates for each of the brands (as each test group completed and the results were analyzed).
So we already know that all of the vaccines available in the USA are safe, the only question left was the level of effectiveness. If they were shown to be ineffective (or no more effective than a placebo) they would have been withdrawn. There is always a need to make sure ineffective medicines and treatments are kept off of the market.
We have already seen the incidences of Covid cases collapse after the introduction of the vaccines in late December, we know the products are effective and safe. No reason to shun them.
Pfizer got over 1 billion for vaccine efforts. Look it up. Couldn't be a coincidence that the former commissioner of the FDA sits on the board of Pfizer could it? and first vaccine to be approved! What a coincidence!
Pfizer got over 1 billion for vaccine efforts. Look it up. Couldn't be a coincidence that the former commissioner of the FDA sits on the board of Pfizer could it? and first vaccine to be approved! What a coincidence!
If you have proof that the Pfizer vaccine is unsafe or ineffective, please bring it forward.
It is no secret that the Trump administration was in bed with Big Pharma, and yes they recruited from the drug companies and it is no surprise they have strong ties.
Alex Azar, Trump's Secretary of the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services was a president of Eli Lilly, and personally responsible for the raising of drug prices on helpless individuals, but that's who Trump wanted in our government. We see the same kind of influence problem with military contractors for decades and in all administrations. It stinks.
However, the vaccines are safe and effective, and the assumed corruption of the last previous administration does not change that.
Do you have children in public schools?
You need to provide a Vaccination record for them to attend don't you?
If not you have the option of home schooling and as for Employees who don't want to comply with their Employer's Vaccination mandates maybe they can freelance themselves and make money on YouTube instead or some other nefarious source of income.
You consider YouTube a "nefarious" source of income?
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If you have proof that the Pfizer vaccine is unsafe or ineffective, please bring it forward.
It is no secret that the Trump administration was in bed with Big Pharma, and yes they recruited from the drug companies and it is no surprise they have strong ties.
Alex Azar, Trump's Secretary of the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services was a president of Eli Lilly, and personally responsible for the raising of drug prices on helpless individuals, but that's who Trump wanted in our government. We see the same kind of influence problem with military contractors for decades and in all administrations. It stinks.
However, the vaccines are safe and effective, and the assumed corruption of the last previous administration does not change that.
2 weekends ago, Trump held a rally in Alabama, just 2 days after the city declared a Covid state of emergency.
Trump encouraged rally attendees to get vaccinated. His loyal followers booed him, likely the first time that happened at a Trump rally.
Not likely Trump will ever say anything about vaccine, going forward.
If you have proof that the Pfizer vaccine is unsafe or ineffective, please bring it forward.
It is no secret that the Trump administration was in bed with Big Pharma, and yes they recruited from the drug companies and it is no surprise they have strong ties.
Alex Azar, Trump's Secretary of the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services was a president of Eli Lilly, and personally responsible for the raising of drug prices on helpless individuals, but that's who Trump wanted in our government. We see the same kind of influence problem with military contractors for decades and in all administrations. It stinks.
However, the vaccines are safe and effective, and the assumed corruption of the last previous administration does not change that.
Go read the warnings about the Pfizer vaccine from the CDC. Last I knew Trump is not President, creepy Joe is. And the former FDA commissioner is still on the board of Pfizer. Then we have Biden freezing Trumps executive order to lower insulin prices. Yeah your insistence that all of this is due to corruption in the last administration completely disregards which administration is in control now! Time to get your head out of the sand.
The technology they use has not been deployed until now. That's the definition of experimental.
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they are not rushed
Then why have they come out faster than any other vaccine in history?
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and they are not untested.
I didn't say UNtested, I said BARELY tested. This IS the test, and we won't know the final results for YEARS!
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Operation 'Warp Speed' simply bypassed the first step of waiting for initial approvals before allocating funds for further development. Under normal conditions there would have been a pause while the government was assessing the relative merits of the various competing vaccines and awarding developmental funds to one winner. Instead they went ahead and awarded funds to several at the same time for simultaneous further testing and development, saving probably three months in the process.
As I understand it the Pfizer vaccine did not rely on federal funds so they were not affected by this. They still had to present test results for safety approval.
The emergency use authorization came after the various vaccines were shown to be demonstrably safe, and not before. This is why the authorizations came on different dates for each of the brands (as each test group completed and the results were analyzed).
So we already know that all of the vaccines available in the USA are safe, the only question left was the level of effectiveness. If they were shown to be ineffective (or no more effective than a placebo) they would have been withdrawn. There is always a need to make sure ineffective medicines and treatments are kept off of the market.
We have already seen the incidences of Covid cases collapse after the introduction of the vaccines in late December, we know the products are effective and safe. No reason to shun them.
How do we KNOW they are safe? Because most (not even all) people that received this stuff didn't just drop dead immediately? Show me five years of data that show they're safe.
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If you have proof that the Pfizer vaccine is unsafe or ineffective, please bring it forward.
NO! You're the one asserting they're safe, YOU PROVE THAT THEY ARE!
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It is no secret that the Trump administration was in bed with Big Pharma, and yes they recruited from the drug companies and it is no surprise they have strong ties.
Alex Azar, Trump's Secretary of the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services was a president of Eli Lilly, and personally responsible for the raising of drug prices on helpless individuals, but that's who Trump wanted in our government. We see the same kind of influence problem with military contractors for decades and in all administrations. It stinks.
However, the vaccines are safe and effective, and the assumed corruption of the last previous administration does not change that.
So show us five years of data say that they're safe.
All the vax does is prevent you from having worse symptoms than if you were not vaxxed.
That's what they claim. However, there's no way to prove it. People were mostly having mild or no symptoms before the vaccines. Now, they are crediting what was already happening prior to the vaccines to the vaccines. Obvious deception.
So show us five years of data say that they're safe.
Hell, show me 3 years. The typical FDA approval process (stage 1, 2, and 3) lasts years. Stage 1: several months; stage 2: several months to 2 years; stage 3: 1-4 years.
We have nowhere near that data. Not to mention, Pfizer "unblinded" the control group, and many of them subsequently were vaccinated. Sounds like a great way to collect unbiased data.
That's what they claim. However, there's no way to prove it. People were mostly having mild or no symptoms before the vaccines. Now, they are crediting what was already happening prior to the vaccines to the vaccines. Obvious deception.
Helps when a large percentage of those that you vaccinate have a very low risk of hospitalization in the first place -- e.g. under 30 and not obese.
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