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Old 09-08-2021, 09:49 AM
 
Location: Barrington
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We were told it was to give us herd immunity.

It's why people are advocating for vaccine passports etc.

It seems the narrative keeps breaking down and needs to be rewritten weekly.
The US approved the Pfizer vaccine on 12/11/2020.

Had every one sought to be vaccinated and if supply was adequate to do so and 90% were vaccinated in December, 2020, some semblance of herd immunity might have occurred for awhile.

As we know:

The demand for vaccine greatly exceeded the supply during the first Q, 2021 because the US did not increase its order until 12/23 and there was a 6 month wait.

The US only recently crossed the 50% fully vaccinated rate.

The Delta variant first emerged within India’s 1.4 billion unvaccinated population in December.

The existing vaccines are less effective against the Delta variant.

And if Israel’s findings are spot on, the second dose begins to wane in effectiveness against the Delta variant after 5 months.

It’s a shame that a novel SARS virus did not present with FAQ, eh.

Instead, the narrative continues to evolve as more becomes known.
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Old 09-08-2021, 09:59 AM
 
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It seems that they work, in the sense that your symptoms are likely to be much less severe if you do have a breakthrough infection. Looking at the numbers from hospitals in my state, when comparing the number of hospitalizations from vaccinated vs unvaccinated, it shows that unvaccinated people make up a much larger segment of the total hospitalizations, and over 3x the number of ICU patients.
The unvaccinated are 8x more likely to experience severe Covid symptoms than the vaccinated.

Not all with sever symptoms require hospitalization. They may however feel like they have been hit with a Mack truck. It can take weeks- months to fully recover.
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Old 09-08-2021, 10:01 AM
 
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That's not true in Israel. I posted the link. The majority of their hospitalized COVID patients had already been fully vaccinated.
And Israel has concluded the effectiveness of the second dose wanes after 5 months.
The booster restores effectiveness.
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Old 09-08-2021, 10:23 AM
 
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I don't think this is a good point. If the country is 100% vaccinated, it will be 100% of of the hospitalized being vaxxed. It does reduce symptoms but that's not what we were sold.
The three Vaccines approved vaccines were developed, trialed and approved BEFORE the Delta variant emerged.

The efficacy of vaccine declined from 90% to 66% against the Delta variant.

In July, Pfizer announced the efficacy of its vaccine declines after 6 months.

Subsequent, Israel concluded effectiveness wanes after 5 months.

Nonetheless, vaccine is far more effective at preventing serious Covid than being unvaccinated.

Although SARS and Influenza are very different viruses with very different outcomes, it appears vaccines have similar limited durability and work best on the specific viruses they were formulated to target.

No such thing as one and done for influenza and obviously SARS- CoV-2 and it’s variants.
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Old 09-08-2021, 10:33 AM
 
Location: Pennsylvania
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The "vaccines" DON'T WORK!!!!!

It seems all they're good for is DISABLING HUMAN IMMUNE SYSTEMS!!!
I'm not sure....

My dad (in his 80's) came down with Covid. He was vaxxed early on, and without the vax, he wouldn't have survived.

The problem is that too many lies have been told and there has been too much politics for a year a half. Nobody knows what's truth and what isn't.

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Old 09-08-2021, 10:33 AM
 
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Delta is more contagious - so more people get it, vaccinated or not (though the proportion varies).


Since about half the people got the shot - some of you think infections should fall, or fall by half.


Not so. It's more contagious now, so you shouldn't be the least surprised if it doubles or goes up 10x, or whatever. Apples to oranges.


One thing is solid though: Vaccinated people for the most part suffer less and die less.
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Old 09-08-2021, 10:38 AM
 
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Nonetheless, vaccine is far more effective at preventing serious Covid than being unvaccinated.
IOW "It's better then nothing".

That bold, comforting statement is being challenged each day by waning vaccine effects and very promising therapeutics.
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Old 09-08-2021, 10:42 AM
 
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And Israel has concluded the effectiveness of the second dose wanes after 5 months.
The booster restores effectiveness.
Over 3 million have had their third shot since July and Israel is setting new records with breakthrough cases.
But that will NOT happen here because the CDC says only the unvaccinated are clogging up the hospitals.

The US is "special" in that we don't have breakthrough cases like the rest of the world.
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Old 09-08-2021, 10:42 AM
 
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How is that even possible when we have more with covid in the hospital this year than last with nearly 70% of adults vaccinated ?
70%?

The US only recently crossed the 50% threshold of FULLY vaccinated adults. There are huge variations state to state and within state.

Last summer, most states had masking and distancing mandates.

Most states or counties/ cities within, persisted with restrictions for indoor dining, social gatherings etc.

Nearly everyone who could perform their job functions remotely was doing so.

Those entertainment venues able to reopen tended to do so on a very limited basis.

Nearly 70% of commercial flights remained cancelled.

In contrast, the annual Sturgis Motorcycle event in South Dakota was held in August, 2020. It attracted about 450,000 people and is believed to have been the super spreader event that triggered the spread within the upper Midwest, especially the Dakotas which imposed no restrictions on the public. The hospitalization and fatality rate in North Dakota achieved the distinction of being the highest in the world.
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Old 09-08-2021, 10:50 AM
 
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Then what is the point of 'mandating' a 'vaccine' that has nothing to do with the variants?
Has any country mandated vaccine? The US has not.

“Nothing to do with the variants” ?

Being 66% effective against the Delta variant is better than zero, no?

A waning efficacy is better than no efficacy, no?

No vaccine or treatment is 100% effective on all people, all the time.
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