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We've been hearing from various hysterical people that huge numbers of fully-vaccinated people are catching Covid and dying from it. Despite there being no published numbers of what percentage of vaccinated people, are catching it.
Now Moderna has released the results of a study that shows only a tiny percentage of people who get their vaccine (both doses), later catch Covid.
They haven't counted ever person on the planet who got their vaccine - there are hundreds of millions. But they took a representative sample, a common medical practice that reflect pretty accurately what the percentages are for the general population.
BOTTOM LINE: In their study, 0.955% of fully-vaccinated people caught Covid after they were fully vaccinated.
Out of the 26,177 fully-vaccinated people in their study, 250 of them caught Covid later. Far less than Moderna had said was possible.
Moderna has pointed out from the beginning that their vaccine was not 100% effective. 95% was the number they announced... meaning they expected that 5% of the people who got fully vaccinated, could still catch Covid. And that prediction has turned out to be more than 5 times the actual number of vaxxed people who caught it.
Will we still get the usual hysterics screaming that "huge" numbers of vaxxed people are catching Covid?
Probably. Some remain solidly immune to facts.
Moderna also pointed out that the efficacy of their vaccine seems to lessen as time goes on - which may suggest that booster shots will be needed, similar to those for measles, diptheria, etc.
Moderna releases new data on Covid breakthrough cases it says supports need for booster shots
Wed. Sept. 15, 2021
Berkeley Lovelace Jr.
Moderna on Wednesday released more data on so-called breakthrough cases it says supports the push for wide use of Covid-19 vaccine booster shots.
The U.S. drugmaker shared a new analysis from its phase three study that showed the incidence of breakthrough Covid cases, which occur in fully vaccinated people, was less frequent in a group of trial participants who were more recently inoculated, suggesting immunity for earlier groups had started to wane.
There were 88 identified breakthrough cases out of 11,431 people vaccinated between December and March, the company said in a release, compared with 162 breakthrough cases out of 14,746 trial participants vaccinated in July through October of last year.
BOTTOM LINE: In their study, 0.955% of fully-vaccinated people caught Covid after they were fully vaccinated.
I'm not sure what this proves. Where's the corresponding percentage of un- or not-yet-fully-vaccinated people for comparison? What's the overall percentage of the general population which got the virus during the same time period?
This is a great example of lying through statistics. They throw some tiny number at you and tell you that it proves something, but in and of itself, it proves nothing.
It's like saying that the hospital ICU units are filled with unvaccinated people, when they're normally at 85-90% full, without any special medical situation going on.
Maybe this means something, but it only can with more context.
I'm not sure what this proves. Where's the corresponding percentage of un- or not-yet-fully-vaccinated people for comparison? What's the overall percentage of the general population which got the virus during the same time period?
This is a great example of lying through statistics. They throw some tiny number at you and tell you that it proves something, but in and of itself, it proves nothing.
It's like saying that the hospital ICU units are filled with unvaccinated people, when they're normally at 85-90% full, without any special medical situation going on.
Maybe this means something, but it only can with more context.
This Delta variant is suppose to be way more catchy than the original. Overall USA positive cases and death rate are much lower than our fall/winter surge which suggests that the vaccine is helping to slow the spread and impact.
Overwhelmingly the states with the lowerst vaccination rates, highest objection to any or all mandates are experiencing the highest case and death rate.
I do not think the vaccine is a cure...but it's a tool that might help.
I understand if someone doesn't want to get it but I will not buy the baloney of trying to suggest the vaccine isn't helping to mitigate. It is.
I do not support govt. enforcement (but at the same time -- yes myself, my husband and kids all lined up for all the shots over the years as recommended and required).
I'm not sure what this proves. Where's the corresponding percentage of un- or not-yet-fully-vaccinated people for comparison? What's the overall percentage of the general population which got the virus during the same time period?
This is a great example of lying through statistics. They throw some tiny number at you and tell you that it proves something, but in and of itself, it proves nothing.
It's like saying that the hospital ICU units are filled with unvaccinated people, when they're normally at 85-90% full, without any special medical situation going on.
Maybe this means something, but it only can with more context.
lol - of course YOU are not sure what this proves.
over 40 Million Americans have had confirmed cases of Covid. (The CDC has estimated higher numbers, due to various reporting issues)
180 million Americans age 12 and over are fully vaccinated. If 1% of them subsequently were diagnosed with Covid, that would be 1.8 million
40 million minus 1.8 million => 38.2 million cases of unvaxxed.
The 1.8 million is undoubtedly high, since the vaxx process has been ongoing for months, but we'll use it just to avoid nit picking.
Over a thousand people are dying from Covid every day, including small children. Just get the f'ing jab.
We've been working from home for awhile now, but I stopped in the office to pick something up.
Saw a coworker there organizing stuff.
He has a bunch of respiratory issues 40ish. Because of his concerns, He got the vaccine and then later still got Covid and suffered some,..but no where near the need to get sent to a hospital.
Was it his natural ability or the vaccine? why take the chance, eh?
We've been hearing from various hysterical people that huge numbers of fully-vaccinated people are catching Covid and dying from it. Despite there being no published numbers of what percentage of vaccinated people, are catching it.
Now Moderna has released the results of a study that shows only a tiny percentage of people who get their vaccine (both doses), later catch Covid.
They haven't counted ever person on the planet who got their vaccine - there are hundreds of millions. But they took a representative sample, a common medical practice that reflect pretty accurately what the percentages are for the general population.
BOTTOM LINE: In their study, 0.955% of fully-vaccinated people caught Covid after they were fully vaccinated.
Out of the 26,177 fully-vaccinated people in their study, 250 of them caught Covid later. Far less than Moderna had said was possible.
Moderna has pointed out from the beginning that their vaccine was not 100% effective. 95% was the number they announced... meaning they expected that 5% of the people who got fully vaccinated, could still catch Covid. And that prediction has turned out to be more than 5 times the actual number of vaxxed people who caught it.
Will we still get the usual hysterics screaming that "huge" numbers of vaxxed people are catching Covid?
Probably. Some remain solidly immune to facts.
Moderna also pointed out that the efficacy of their vaccine seems to lessen as time goes on - which may suggest that booster shots will be needed, similar to those for measles, diptheria, etc.
Moderna releases new data on Covid breakthrough cases it says supports need for booster shots
Wed. Sept. 15, 2021
Berkeley Lovelace Jr.
Moderna on Wednesday released more data on so-called breakthrough cases it says supports the push for wide use of Covid-19 vaccine booster shots.
The U.S. drugmaker shared a new analysis from its phase three study that showed the incidence of breakthrough Covid cases, which occur in fully vaccinated people, was less frequent in a group of trial participants who were more recently inoculated, suggesting immunity for earlier groups had started to wane.
There were 88 identified breakthrough cases out of 11,431 people vaccinated between December and March, the company said in a release, compared with 162 breakthrough cases out of 14,746 trial participants vaccinated in July through October of last year.
No problem with what you are trying to convey but this was not "a representative sample". These numbers come directly from the clinical trial group that was given the vaccine and is being followed for efficacy and potential complications. This is the initial and the official testing of the vaccine group. As I recall there were some differences in the Moderna group vs the population of the country like they were younger and healthier as a whole so that might limit the ability to infer the exact same percentages in the general population.
I do not think the vaccine is a cure...but it's a tool that might help.
I understand if someone doesn't want to get it but I will not buy the baloney of trying to suggest the vaccine isn't helping to mitigate. It is.
I agree 100%.
Moderna has a vested interest marketing a cure ... which never actually cures.
See?
But even some folks at or associated with the FDA are questioning the need for boosters and setting up a 6-9 month cycle of mitigative shot after mitigative shot after mitigative shot.
There are simultaneously better ways.
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