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We probably could if we reached similar vaccination rates as Denmark.
“More than 80% of people above the age of 12 have had the two shots.
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The tipping point in Denmark to start easing restrictions came when a majority in the age group of 50+ had the two shots, Riis Paludan said.
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However, the face mask or shield are still mandatory at airports and people are advised to wear one when at the doctor's, test centers or hospitals. Distancing is still recommended and strict entry restrictions still apply for non Danes at the borders. The outbreak is still considered "an ordinary dangerous illness."
"The ghost of corona sits in the back of our head," said Frank Oestergaard, a patron in a downtown Copenhagen restaurant.“
But, vaccination doesn't mean that the pandemic is over. Vaccinated people are getting sick. They made up 52% and 60% of antibody treatments at two Florida mobile treatment centers.
People who are vaccinated are getting sick with COVID. Vaccinated people are receiving the Monoclonal Antibodies, as we learned in Florida. We don't know how many vaccinated people are getting sick because the CDC isn't counting those breakthrough cases.
You don't have any evidence to say that everyone getting vaccinated will end the pandemic, because the CDC isn't tracking all breakthrough cases!
This thread is about Denmark, yes?
Nothing to do with the CDC.
As just noted, Denmark reported 39 infections per 100,000 people over the past nine days. Cases are decreasing.
Seems like the vaccines are working there just fine.
But, vaccination doesn't mean that the pandemic is over. Vaccinated people are getting sick. They made up 52% and 60% of antibody treatments at two Florida mobile treatment centers.
Florida is not Denmark.
The question everyone should be asking is: why has vaccination been so successful in Denmark?
It seems the Danish Government has come to their senses. COVID is going nowhere, so they've gotten back to normal. Why can't we do this?
Yup high vaccine rate More than 83 percent of eligible people over the age of 12 in Denmark are fully vaccinated, according to the Danish Health Authority
You're looking at an experiment with n=6,000,000 or so Danes, so - we may have passed the "theory" threshold. Danes isolated, contact-traced, took the shot as soon as they could and the results are in.
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Hmmm…
Have you checked Denmark’s stats lately?
“39 infections per 100K people reported last 7 days”
But that doesn't address my comment. At some point, we do need to accept the fact that "Herd Immunity" is simply not possible when you have a vaccine with waning effectiveness. If that were not the case, then I would have no issue with that premise (unfortunately it appears to be false). Clearly there are other things in play here. The same thing could be said for Seychelles, but they had completely opposite results.
I'm all ears if either of you think you can explain how you can have various groups of people with different efficacy levels and still claim that countries truly have a level of herd immunity that would qualify for the numbers the experts are calling on. The math simply does not add up and it's literally quite impossible.
But that doesn't address my comment. At some point, we do need to accept the fact that "Herd Immunity" is simply not possible when you have a vaccine with waning effectiveness. If that were not the case, then I would have no issue with that premise (unfortunately it appears to be false). Clearly there are other things in play here. The same thing could be said for Seychelles, but they had completely opposite results.
I'm all ears if either of you think you can explain how you can have various groups of people with different efficacy levels and still claim that countries truly have a level of herd immunity that would qualify for the numbers the experts are calling on. The math simply does not add up and it's literally quite impossible.
The only way to know the answer is to see if vaccine effectiveness starts to wane in Denmark.
If cases remain stable or continue to go down, it would be hard to argue that vaccine effectiveness is waning, would it not?
The only way to know the answer is to see if vaccine effectiveness starts to wane in Denmark.
If cases remain stable or continue to go down, it would be hard to argue that vaccine effectiveness is waning, would it not?
I actually think the basic math of the equation would give us the answer, would it not? The medical experts in Israel have concluded that the Pfizer vaccine does indeed have waning efficacy. The CDC also seems to be in agreement with this, hence both countries are calling for booster shots. Denying that waning efficacy exists would simply mean that you are in disagreement with both of these countries (which is fine if that's your stance) I'm simply asking for some honesty in the conversation since Fauci has asked for a 90% level of vaccination. Do you have an explanation on how that would be possible? Or do you agree "herd immunity" is essentially impossible to achieve?
There is a difference between waning efficacy on a measured blood test (or similar lab work) - and what is happening right now, in real life. One is a predictor, the other is Today.
As far as Today goes - the vaccine works. There is no sound science that says otherwise, and there is a mountain of sound science that says it works.
As far as the future - is it wrong to say it wanes? To what %? How effective will it still be? Is, say, 50%, still enough to keep the virus at bay? And so on. Don't get the stories confused. Just because the effects of the vaccine are less after time does not mean it's useless.
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