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Old 10-10-2021, 08:25 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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It’s sad that our most prestigious medical journals are no longer a place for scientific debate but for submission to orthodoxy.
I don't see what research is actually being blocked. Malone was one of many scientists that were part of the development of mRNA vaccines yet here he is claiming that Pfizer and Moderna vaccines might make COVID-19 infections worse. Based on what research.

I see he claimed his IP address was blocked from reading the New England Journal of Medicine which is weird, never heard a magazine blocking an IP for read only.

What research is being blocked.
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Old 10-10-2021, 08:26 AM
 
Location: King County, WA
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And that phrase has been uttered by so many.
What will be left is an echo chamber because "business can do whatever they want" .

You won't have to read opposing views and decide for yourself.
"Business" will do that for you.
That is a false dichotomy. As an adult, what is left is the option to read whatever publication you want.
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Old 10-10-2021, 08:29 AM
 
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That is a false dichotomy. As an adult, what is left is the option to read whatever publication you want.
Not for Malone. He’s been blocked from reading studies from NEJM
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Old 10-10-2021, 08:41 AM
 
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Good topic. Some of the worlds most well known virologists were marginalized just for questioning the lockdowns. It started early. A few questioned why perfectly heathy people were forced to quarantine when it has never been done in the past. It should have been limited to the symptomatic and compromised or elderly populations.

One virologist from France Dr. Perronne who was tops in his field since the 90's and a vaccine policy chief was fired over these types of statements.

https://covid-unmasked.net/frances-l...and-unethical/
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Old 10-10-2021, 08:45 AM
 
Location: South of Heaven
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Science + politics = religion
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Old 10-10-2021, 08:52 AM
 
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Science + politics = religion
Saw this meme that fits too.

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Old 10-10-2021, 09:02 AM
 
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I don't see what research is actually being blocked. Malone was one of many scientists that were part of the development of mRNA vaccines yet here he is claiming that Pfizer and Moderna vaccines might make COVID-19 infections worse. Based on what research.

I see he claimed his IP address was blocked from reading the New England Journal of Medicine which is weird, never heard a magazine blocking an IP for read only.

What research is being blocked.
Neither have I , but he has posted a screenshot for all those to see. Has NEJM denied?

I haven’t followed all of Malone’s arguments so I cannot speak to them. I caught a video of him citing some study showing higher viral loads in the nasal mucosa membranes of vaccinated vs unvaccinated as evidence of ADE. I disagree since the acronym features “Disease Enhancement” and viral loads are not a good indicator of disease severity. But perhaps he’s concerned this is an “inflection point” so to speak.

Either way, science is about free debate. Marginal ideas ridiculed become accepted all the time. Once you lose free debate, you lose science.

This is the tip of the iceberg. What’s more concerning is scientists (Bridle) and doctors (McCollough) losing their positions and titles due to them questioning the medicines. This sends a stifling signal to any scientist wanting to question these vaccines but worried about their career at the same time. We all are worse off as a result.
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Old 10-10-2021, 10:53 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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Neither have I , but he has posted a screenshot for all those to see. Has NEJM denied?

I haven’t followed all of Malone’s arguments so I cannot speak to them. I caught a video of him citing some study showing higher viral loads in the nasal mucosa membranes of vaccinated vs unvaccinated as evidence of ADE. I disagree since the acronym features “Disease Enhancement” and viral loads are not a good indicator of disease severity. But perhaps he’s concerned this is an “inflection point” so to speak.

Either way, science is about free debate. Marginal ideas ridiculed become accepted all the time. Once you lose free debate, you lose science.

This is the tip of the iceberg. What’s more concerning is scientists (Bridle) and doctors (McCollough) losing their positions and titles due to them questioning the medicines. This sends a stifling signal to any scientist wanting to question these vaccines but worried about their career at the same time. We all are worse off as a result.
I see no indication that his research is being blocked and if his claim is true regarding Covid-19 vaccines then he should be able to produce a peer reviewed research paper, not a video. He can question vaccines but he needs to back it up, claims that he is blocked from reading NEJM just feeds his conspiracy and even if true does not prevent hi, from reading in other ways.
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Old 10-10-2021, 11:01 AM
 
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Again, if it sounds fishy, it probably is. The doctor does not say NEJM censored him. he claims they blocked him from even reading the journal. That just makes no sense. I suspect it either a mistake, or related to some other problem with his IP address, or some other infraction like copyright infringement.
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Old 10-10-2021, 11:05 AM
 
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The left is irrational, immoral and quite possibly insane. Follow its science at your own peril and regard anything it puts forward with deep suspicion.
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