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First off many of us do not pay School Tax, our schools are required to prepare and submit a budget for approval and inclusion in the counties budget (or city/town as applicable). You will never not having parents objecting that just goes with the territory, but schools are a public obligation and as such strive to provide a balanced curriculum with enough options.
Its nice to say not to fund public education but like you I could break out a list of tax money recipients that I don't agree with but those are the obligations of living in society. As I posted be involved, the procedures are in place but mob rule and showing up demanding whatever because you said so is not going to work in any situation.
You are already giving "thousands of dollars of MY MONEY without strings" for any number of local government expenditures that you have no input over it just happens to be education in the spotlight right now. If your living in the NY metro you are getting so scr***d from your tax obligation that even I feel sorry for you...
Like I said, money comes with strings and accountability. The schools need to get out of taxpayers' wallets if they want parents out of the classroom. End of story.
Until then, the parents are doing what they gotta do to voice their concerns which they feel are being ignored. That's on the schools, not on the parents. The burden of satisfaction rests on the SCHOOLS to satisfy the parents and address whatever concerns they have to their satisfaction. If the parents (customers) are not happy for whatever reason, the school is solely and entirely to blame and remedies need to exist up to and including a full refund. It's that simple.
And I disagree that public schools are some sort of public obligation that we must fund at all costs. Public schools haven't performed for 40 years. If they are not providing a satisfactory product at a price the market will bear, they don't deserve to exist. As taxpayers we have the right to demand that the fiduciaries of our money (and yes, it's OUR MONEY) spend it efficiently.
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Not these days - there is an agenda to push and it involves CRT being rammed into schools.
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Can you provide a valid link where that is occurring? I've asked repeatedly but no one can provide it. thanks...
I have the book 'Critical Race Theory' along with some other related books by Kendi and DiAngelo in my home library. I can cite discrete components of CRT without naming any book and most people would sagely nod along. That is how CRT is lifted out of the colleges and into the elementary schools.
I have the book 'Critical Race Theory' along with some other related books by Kendi and DiAngelo in my home library. I can cite discrete components of CRT without naming any book and most people would sagely nod along. That is how CRT is lifted out of the colleges and into the elementary schools.
As I keep asking can anyone provide a valid link that shows where a public school district is implementing this course, your interpretation of whatever elements may be getting applied is not a School Curriculum.
Like I said, money comes with strings and accountability. The schools need to get out of taxpayers' wallets if they want parents out of the classroom. End of story.
Until then, the parents are doing what they gotta do to voice their concerns which they feel are being ignored. That's on the schools, not on the parents. The burden of satisfaction rests on the SCHOOLS to satisfy the parents and address whatever concerns they have to their satisfaction.
And I disagree that public schools are some sort of public obligation that we must fund at all costs. Public schools haven't performed for 40 years. If they are not providing a satisfactory product at a price the market will bear, they don't deserve to exist. As taxpayers we have the right to demand that the fiduciaries of our money (and yes, it's OUR MONEY) spend it efficiently.
Keep demanding and while your at it hold your elected officials/local government to task because they are spending the bulk of your money without your permission. I guess working within the established procedures is beyond your comprehension because you think showing up as a mob and demanding whatever is acceptable.
There are always parents demanding you should have seen the uproar over the Harry Potter books when they came out and the religious right continues to push to have their views implemented into the curriculum, this is nothing new. I'll disagree with you that schools "haven't performed for 40 years " and they're not a commodity that you evaluate and eliminate if their not agreeable to you.
Parental involvement is critical to a child's education. The reason many blacks (and some, but a lot fewer, whites) don't succeed in school is because there's no interaction at home. Maybe they're just incapable, or maybe they just don't care.
Parents definitely should be involved in WHAT is taught at school. Schools have not business trying to overrule values children are taught at home.
I agree to an extent.
Prior to say, the late 1980s/early 90s, parents were far less "involved" in their children's education than they are today, yet students weren't any less successful than they are now.
When I was an elementary school kid in the 70s and a high school student in the 80s, the only time parents were ever in our schools was to vote in elections. Seriously. We NEVER saw parents volunteering in our schools. Frankly, it would have been considered kind of weird (I say this as a mom who often volunteered in my kids' classrooms and really enjoyed it). Yet roughly the same percentage of kids went on to college and excelled academically then as today.
I think what's important is that parents VALUE education and learning. It's important that they give their kids opportunities to learn and grow, and that they model behavior reflecting this. Taking one's children to the library, reading to them regularly, having a home library, are examples of what I mean. I think it's important that our kids seeing us reading regularly and learning ourselves rather than always watching reality TV.
I don't think practically living up at the school (like some of the PTA moms I knew who did), helping with every step of homework, monitoring our high school kids' assignments or actually doing their assignments for them (which I routinely saw as a former public librarian) is good for kids in the long run.
There's been way too much parental handholding going on the last few decades which cripples kids more than it helps them, imo.
As I keep asking can anyone provide a valid link that shows where a public school district is implementing this course, your interpretation of whatever elements may be getting applied is not a School Curriculum.
Why does it have to be MY interpretation? You cannot dismiss what the children brought home to their parents. Perhaps you know better and are trying to distract by asking for formality. But as far as the parents are concerned, the CONTENTS that their children brought home are enough to alarm them.
I'll disagree with you that schools "haven't performed for 40 years " and they're not a commodity that you evaluate and eliminate if their not agreeable to you.
What's your alternative? Throw more money at an alreadly failing institution? Sorry, public schools have had 40 years to get their **** together. They haven't. They need to die. And yes, education IS a commodity/product/service. Kaplan built a billion dollar business on that product. And in a market, when a service provider can't provide a satisfactory product or service at a price consumers are willing to pay, that service provider goes out of business.
The only way to end these kinds of confrontations is a market-driven User Pays model. The alternative is a full voucher system. If the Board of Education has $10k allotted to your child, you get $10k toward whatever school you choose to put your kid into, private, public or otherwise.
What's your alternative? Throw more money at an alreadly failing institution? Sorry, public schools have had 40 years to get their **** together. They haven't. They need to die.
Ridiculous. There are plenty of excellent public schools in the US and plenty of very successful people who are products of public schools. Do you honestly believe otherwise? Do you think all parents can afford private school or are in a position to homeschool?
Having said that, I can understand why parents often choose to homeschool. If I could go back in time, I think I would have homeschooled my kids -- for reasons other than the quality of education alone.
Ridiculous. There are plenty of excellent public schools in the US and plenty of very successful people who are products of public schools. Do you honestly believe otherwise? Do you think all parents can afford private school or are in a position to homeschool?
There are also plenty of horrible public schools that shouldn't be in the business of educating children, that can't even keep kids safe from crime, or can't teach kids to read. The vast majority are mediocre at best, and probably overpriced for the quality of the education. Public schools in their current form, that get unconditional funding regardless of the outcomes they produce, need to die. I want excellence in education at a reasonable price. That combination ain't going to come from the government. Those public schools you refer to have spending per head that rivals private schools. They'd do fine in a privatized scenario, provided they were actually delivering excellence.
That is, provided they can deliver that same quality of education at a price that consumers will bear. ANYONE can deliver excellence with a blank check.
Why does it have to be MY interpretation? You cannot dismiss what the children brought home to their parents. Perhaps you know better and are trying to distract by asking for formality. But as far as the parents are concerned, the CONTENTS that their children brought home are enough to alarm them.
You are the poster I responded to and neither you or any other poster claiming CRT is being taught in the schools has ever post a link from their school division that's teaching it. Distract by formality, asking for a valid source instead of accepting whatever was on Social Media or your view as you posted it is wrong?
I know of a recent School Board Meeting where I live that the public speaking part was over run by people rallying against CRT. Prior to Public Input beginning the School Board Chairman explained that CRT is not taught, planned or even on the discussion did they care, hell no. One after the other they be got up complaining about it, running over on time and berating anyone who said something opposite to them. They
were alarmed by social media not anything their kids may have brought home. There was another video of a concerned parent going off at a school board meeting over library books that weren't even part of that School Districts collection and on and on...
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