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Old 10-27-2021, 12:09 PM
 
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I'm just gonna keep dropping this in here so drive-bys see it...


That article (CNN / OP) is wrong. It's simply incorrect. Bad journalism. Fake news, if you must. But wrong.


Jen Christensen has a stellar resume - agree or disagree with her, she is no dummy - so this is really inexcusable - but I'll stop short of saying it's intentional.
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Old 10-27-2021, 12:42 PM
 
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NO, people who abused alcohol caused the spike.
Yup, The lockdowns and aptmosphere around the virus might have accelerated those patient's fate but they were already on that road or their lifestyle, attitude, beliefs etc would have had a liver transplant on their itinerary eventually.
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Old 10-29-2021, 08:21 AM
 
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CNN mildly updated the article to remove one of the errors.


https://www.cnn.com/2021/10/26/healt...udy/index.html


but one other HUGE error remains:


32,320 liver transplants were performed due to alcoholic hepatitis.

Absolutely UNTRUE. A blatant lie. The actual number due to AH was something like 700 - not 32,320.



This is the type of stuff that has led to where we are today - people who believe the weirdest things about COVID, no matter whose team your on. Many - MANY - people trust CNN, and our now spreading these (minor) lies. How many other "lies" do you think they've shared from CNN and other sources (it's FOX too)? Please - people - this is a reporting error - a mistake - an oversight - or maybe a lie - a spin - or whatever - but whatever you call it - it isn't true.
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Old 10-29-2021, 09:07 AM
 
Location: Phoenix
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Lockdowns caused:
- More drug and alcohlol abuse leading to death
- More suicides
- More violence
- Killed businesses
- Made people fatter and more prone to die from covid and other causes
- Made millions depressed

If we did gain anything from the lockdowns in lowering covid deaths, it caused at least 10 fold more deaths than it saved...Sweden got it right.
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Old 10-29-2021, 10:09 AM
 
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Lockdowns caused:
- More drug and alcohlol abuse leading to death
- More suicides
- More violence
- Killed businesses
- Made people fatter and more prone to die from covid and other causes
- Made millions depressed

If we did gain anything from the lockdowns in lowering covid deaths, it caused at least 10 fold more deaths than it saved...Sweden got it right.
I lost weight. Go figure.

And I started a new business.

So lockdowns caused *at least* 7 million excess deaths? I'm surprised no one noticed that.
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Old 10-29-2021, 10:15 AM
 
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I lost weight. Go figure.

And I started a new business.

So lockdowns caused *at least* 7 million excess deaths? I'm surprised no one noticed that.



Not very good at math or doing math problems I see. I said the lives saved by the lockdowns, which were minimal as Sweden showed how many people that died with no lockdowns, versus the lives lost through drug and alcohol abuse, suicide, overweight and unhealthy because the gyms were closed. So for every life the lockdowns saved, it cost 10.

I also lost weight and spent a lot of money helping family and friends that lost their jobs because of the lockdowns.
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Old 10-29-2021, 11:32 AM
 
Location: Ohio
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Every day we see new reasons for excess deaths during the "pandemic". From large increases in homicides to overdose deaths to alcohol abuse deaths to delayed surgeries and checkups.

A 50 percent spike in liver transplant patients is insane:
Um, newsflash: Alcoholics are at the bottom of the transplant list and are denied a transplant even when one is available unless they meet certain specific criteria which is usually alcohol-free for at least 3 years.

It's nothing more than CNN propaganda and disinformation.

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That's odd. Wouldn't it take time for liver damage...it doesn't happen in days.
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Well it's been 1.5 years and some places had greater and stricter lockdowns.
Um, no, it takes way, way more than 1.5 years. It takes about 10 years of extremely heavy alcohol consumption for the onset of cirrhosis.

Let's try to sort through the propaganda and disinformation spewed by the Göbbels News Network.

The pandemic caused a delay in all surgeries performed by hospitals.

The Göbbels News Network cherry-picked its data. All elective surgeries are on again, so all elective surgeries have, um, you know, "spiked."

All transplants have "spiked" too, but liver transplants are far more common the heart, lung, kidney, bone marrow transplants.

More than that, there's the "shocking angle" and that is alcohol isn't associated with heart, lung, kidney transplants, but it is associated with liver transplants.
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Old 10-29-2021, 11:41 AM
 
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Joe Biden caused me to drink. Can I sue him?
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Old 10-29-2021, 12:15 PM
 
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What I wonder though, for a liver to fail, it takes more than just a year of alcohol abuse.

But yes, people with mental problems have probably become even worse. I also heard that domestic violence increased a lot. I don't like people's weakness. I don't consider a lockdown any excuse for destructive behavior. People are so spoiled, so many seem to go nuts as soon as they are no longer able to continue their excessive lives or have to make sacrifices.
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Old 10-30-2021, 03:36 PM
 
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Article (CNN) is wrong. It's that simple.
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