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They will always have contact with others in prisons. Courts have set limits on solitary confinement.
Besides, the killer did not have the right to end a life. What if they killed one of your kids or another family member of yours?
I wouldn’t call the police and if it came to it I’d take a trial by my peers.
Like I said earlier; it’s not that I don’t believe in an eye for an eye.
I do not believe in the right of the state to take a citizens life. Period. Save the what if’s.
I agree that an armed populace is the best deterrent.
I disagree that a justification for abolishing capital punishment is the ever-decreasing, miniscule chance of someone innocent being tried, convicted, sentenced to death, and having his cased reviewed for 20 some years, and then actually executed. Especially with DNA and all of the modern technology we have today. In the past, yes. Today, no. It would be unlikely to the point of approaching zero.
So you don't think that John Wayne Gacy should have been executed after he admitted the torture and murder of 33 people?
I DO NOT BELIEVE THE STATE HAS THE RIGHT TO TAKE ANY CITIZENS LIFE.
How much more blunt do I have to be for it to get through the thickness?
You can come up with these simpleton tugs on emotions all day long and I’m not going to budge. It’s not an emotional issue. The state does not own me. It’s a social contract we have with the state.
So to further cement it here it is again…
I DO NOT BELIEVE THE STATE HAS THE RIGHT TO TAKE ANY CITIZENS LIFE.
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I DO NOT BELIEVE THE STATE HAS THE RIGHT TO TAKE ANY CITIZENS LIFE.
How much more blunt do I have to be for it to get through the thickness?
You can come up with these simpleton tugs on emotions all day long and I’m not going to budge. It’s not an emotional issue. The state does not own me. It’s a social contract we have with the state.
So to further cement it here it is again…
I DO NOT BELIEVE THE STATE HAS THE RIGHT TO TAKE ANY CITIZENS LIFE.
Everyone's entitled to their own beliefs but what part of the Constitution denies the the state the right to take any citizen's life?
And no, the death penalty is not 'cruel and unusual punishment' when enacted as punishment for someone who takes another's life.
Here's the problem with no death penalty (which isn't really a deterrent but a punishment) is what do you do with the Life Without Parole inmate who kills another prisoner? He already has the heaviest penalty given so do you give him another LWOP?
And don't say "Put him in solitary" because many states, Maryland being one, have abolished solitary confinement.
I've wondered this too. Could the death penalty not be reserved for those that could not be restrained even by incarceration, and let the people who behave properly in prison serve LWOP?
I DO NOT BELIEVE THE STATE HAS THE RIGHT TO TAKE ANY CITIZENS LIFE.
How much more blunt do I have to be for it to get through the thickness?
You can come up with these simpleton tugs on emotions all day long and I’m not going to budge. It’s not an emotional issue. The state does not own me. It’s a social contract we have with the state.
So to further cement it here it is again…
I DO NOT BELIEVE THE STATE HAS THE RIGHT TO TAKE ANY CITIZENS LIFE.
I am glad that the majority does not agree with you and neither do laws.
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I've wondered this too. Could the death penalty not be reserved for those that could not be restrained even by incarceration, and let the people who behave properly in prison serve LWOP?
It could be but why should it be?
Someone walks into a public space and murders people, their guilt is unquestionable. Isn't the death penalty closer to 'justice' than allowing them to live out their natural life?
Everyone's entitled to their own beliefs but what part of the Constitution denies the the state the right to take any citizen's life?
And no, the death penalty is not 'cruel and unusual punishment' when enacted as punishment for someone who takes another's life.
What part of the Constitution gives the state the right?
It specifically doesn't have anything to do with our state in particular. That belief applies to every state going back to the dawn of humanity.
As the world becomes increasingly interconnected I hope people realize we don't serve the state, the state serves us. From that belief stems the view the state doesn't control our right to live or die.
Here in the US we've built massive institutions that have far too much power over us (freezing assets without criminal charges or before you've been served, taking your cash and forcing you to prove its yours, etc). Keep in mind I'm not anti-government, more pro-freedom. The state needs citizens to contribute their taxes to it for it to run; why don't the citizens focus more on what the state does for them vs what will another state do? We no longer live in a world where you have to be scared of the army next door invading and burning and stealing everything.
** Note: The structure of the US government is second to none; doesn't mean we the people shouldn't expect a better return from it and less waste (ie we should have cutting edge infrastructure instead of wasting all that money of ours nation building while our infrastructure rots).
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I am glad that the majority does not agree with you and neither do laws.
Based on trends that's quickly changing. Twenty years ago I was a tiny minority. In a few years I'll probably be in the majority.
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It could be but why should it be?
Someone walks into a public space and murders people, their guilt is unquestionable. Isn't the death penalty closer to 'justice' than allowing them to live out their natural life?
That's revenge. And if one of the victims family members wants it they can take it and answer to society for it.
Justice is giving them 30-60 to however many years left to sit in a cell and think about it.
What part of the Constitution gives the state the right?
It specifically doesn't have anything to do with our state in particular. That belief applies to every state going back to the dawn of humanity.
As the world becomes increasingly interconnected I hope people realize we don't serve the state, the state serves us. From that belief stems the view the state doesn't control our right to live or die.
Here in the US we've built massive institutions that have far too much power over us (freezing assets without criminal charges or before you've been served, taking your cash and forcing you to prove its yours, etc). Keep in mind I'm not anti-government, more pro-freedom. The state needs citizens to contribute their taxes to it for it to run; why don't the citizens focus more on what the state does for them vs what will another state do? We no longer live in a world where you have to be scared of the army next door invading and burning and stealing everything.
** Note: The structure of the US government is second to none; doesn't mean we the people shouldn't expect a better return from it and less waste (ie we should have cutting edge infrastructure instead of wasting all that money of ours nation building while our infrastructure rots).
Based on trends that's quickly changing. Twenty years ago I was a tiny minority. In a few years I'll probably be in the majority.
That's revenge. And if one of the victims family members wants it they can take it and answer to society for it.
Justice is giving them 30-60 to however many years left to sit in a cell and think about it.
I hope not.
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