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We have been through it. You have yet to explain why the 2nd amendment should be expanded to be beyond a militia.
This thread was started with a false premise. There ARE qualifications in the 2nd amendment. For a 'well regulated militia'. If some wish to own guns outside of that qualifier, I understand, but that doesn't change the wording of the text.
The right of THE PEOPLE shall not be infringed.
They didn't say the right of "the militia" shall not be infringed. They said the right of THE PEOPLE shall not be infringed.
Do you not understand plain English?
Even today, THE PEOPLE make up the militia too. The common man owns and uses guns and gains proficiency because his right to arms shall not be infringed, and can join a militia anytime. Able bodied men who are good with arms are what the militia needs, back then, 500 years ago, today, and 500 years from now.
They didn't say the right of "the militia" shall not be infringed. They said the right of THE PEOPLE shall not be infringed.
Do you not understand plain English?
Even today, THE PEOPLE make up the militia too. The common man owns and uses guns and gains proficiency because his right to arms shall not be infringed, and can join a militia anytime. Able bodied men who are good with arms are what the militia needs, back then, 500 years ago, today, and 500 years from now.
I agree with you 100%...but the fact is, there are no active militia today...the ones there are, they are very small and most labelled as hate groups/domestic terrorism groups.
We have failed miserably to defend the Constitution, the govt has successfully beaten us down to what we are today. Its a real shame we still even celebrate July 4th imo, it makes me sick to my stomach.
Taken out of context you just chose the part you like.
Ising your interpretation people could bring guns into government buildings, airlines, schools.
No, that is the actual definition of the word 'infringe', (look it up yourself if you dont believe).
Please tell me though you do understand why restrictions were placed on bringing guns into govt buildings? its just another attempt to limit citizens power!
If the 2A guaranteed citizens could protect themselves from the govt...why would there need to be a law on bringing guns into a govt building? That would interfere with citizens being able to exercise the amendment.
it was about having the assets IF NEEDED to overthrow a tyrannical government IF the government became that
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When governments fear the people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny. The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government. – Thomas Jefferson (1743-1826), US Founding Father, drafted the Declaration of Independence, 3rd US President of the United States
Thanks for engaging, but unfortunately it turns out that "Jefferson" quote is falsified:
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""""That the people have a right to bear arms for the defence of themselves and their own state, or the United States, or for the purpose of killing game; and no law shall be passed for disarming the people or any of them, unless for crimes committed, or real danger of public injury from individuals ..."""-- James Madison
The above was not actually from James Madison, but from the Pennsylvania delegation to the Constitutional Convention. Nonetheless, it affirms that gun ownership was for defending oneself, for hunting or for defending the state. NOT for overthrowing the government. Other states made similar claims:
Those of Pennsylvania and Vermont declared, “That the people have a right to bear arms for the defense of themselves, and the state . . . .” North Carolina’s declared, “That the People have a right to bear Arms for the Defense of the State . . . .” And Massachusetts’s declared, “The people have a right to keep and bear arms for the common defence.” https://fedsoc.org/commentary/public...ege-of-the-few
I notice that the Pennsylvania statement included unless for crimes committed, or real danger of public injury from individuals. which is something the Constitution probably should have included. It would clear up this idea that cops can't disarm a criminal, and also allow for restrictions on people judged to be mentally incompetent, violent felons or underage.
No, that is the actual definition of the word 'infringe', (look it up yourself if you dont believe).
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Google "infringe definition"
act so as to limit or undermine (something); encroach on.
"his legal rights were being infringed" · [more]
synonyms:
undermine · erode · diminish · weaken · impair · damage · compromise · limit · curb · check
Doesn't say "no exceptions".
Also, asking someone to register their gun does not diminish, weaken, damage or curb their right to own the gun.
I agree with you 100%...but the fact is, there are no active militia today...the ones there are, they are very small and most labelled as hate groups/domestic terrorism groups.
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There are still State militias:
A State Defense Force (SDF) is a state militia under the command of the chief executive of that state only. Twenty-five states in America have some kind of SDF, and all states have laws allowing one https://www.wearethemighty.com/artic...allowing%20one.
The "hate groups/domestic terrorism groups" may call themselves a militia, but they are not. What the Constitution refers to as a well-regulated militia consists of armed civilians, who have designated officers, who may be called up by the Governor of a state in case of emergency.
act so as to limit or undermine (something); encroach on.
"his legal rights were being infringed" · [more]
synonyms:
undermine · erode · diminish · weaken · impair · damage · compromise · limit · curb · check
Doesn't say "no exceptions".
One of the nuttier "new rules" the Left has tried to impose on normal people, is that any word has no particular meaning unless every dictionary containing it, includes the demand, "That's all it means and it doesn't mean anything else, there are no exceptions to this definition. So let it be written, so let it be done".
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Also, asking someone to register their gun does not diminish, weaken, damage or curb their right to own the gun.
The only possible purpose for registering someone's gun, IS to make it easier to diminish, weaken, damage, or curb the right to own and carry that gun. But in fact, in light of the fact that any such diminishment, weakening the right is 100% forbidden (with no exceptions) to government, it is none of government's business that you own a gun, what kind, etc.
One of the nuttier "new rules" the Left has tried to impose on normal people, is that any word has no particular meaning unless every dictionary containing it, includes the demand, "That's all it means and it doesn't mean anything else, there are no exceptions to this definition. So let it be written, so let it be done".
The only possible purpose for registering someone's gun, IS to make it easier to diminish, weaken, damage, or curb the right to own and carry that gun. But in fact, in light of the fact that any such diminishment, weakening the right is 100% forbidden (with no exceptions) to government, it is none of government's business that you own a gun, what kind, etc.
I was merely responding to rstevens62, who said
"No, that is the actual definition of the word 'infringe', (look it up yourself if you dont believe)"
So I looked it up.
Also, the purpose of registering guns is so that, if it is used to commit a crime, the police can trace the origin of that gun and hopefully apprehend the criminal.
Also, the purpose of registering guns is so that, if it is used to commit a crime, the police can trace the origin of that gun and hopefully apprehend the criminal.
Yup, those criminals will be falling all over themselves to make sure their guns are registered.
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