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Old 11-29-2021, 07:39 AM
 
Location: New York City
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Leaving my reply to better writers:
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Originally Posted by CS Lewis
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“Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.

They may be more likely to go to Heaven yet at the same time likelier to make a Hell of earth. This very kindness stings with intolerable insult. To be "cured" against one's will and cured of states which we may not regard as disease is to be put on a level of those who have not yet reached the age of reason or those who never will; to be classed with infants, imbeciles, and domestic animals.”
and...
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Even though altruism declares that “it is more blessed to give than to receive,” it does not work that way in practice. The givers are never blessed; the more they give, the more is demanded of them; complaints, reproaches and insults are the only response they get for practicing altruism’s virtues (or for their actual virtues). Altruism cannot permit a recognition of virtue; it cannot permit self-esteem or moral innocence.

Guilt is altruism’s stock in trade, and the inducing of guilt is its only means of self-perpetuation. If the giver is not kept under a torrent of degrading, demeaning accusations, he might take a look around and put an end to the self-sacrificing. Altruists are concerned only with those who suffer—not with those who provide relief from suffering, not even enough to care whether they are able to survive. When no actual suffering can be found, the altruists are compelled to invent or manufacture it.
Pretty much sums up the evil perpetrated by liberals and their 99% liberal cousins who call themselves conservatives.

If you find agreement with even one thing the involuntary state does that first requires applying force to others in order to fund, build, acquire, etc...then you sanction the above evil and you do it for the same reason - being a moral busybody who is trying to convince themselves of their own righteousness by sacrificing others on a government altar.
Oh my, what absolute gems. So much wisdom in our forefathers. Thank god we have continued the tradition with.... Twitter and Tic Tok ????
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Old 11-29-2021, 07:39 AM
 
Location: NW Nevada
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NYT wonders: Say, why aren't deep-blue states progressive Utopias?

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/11/09/o...gislation.html

Or an alternative Headline: Leftists: "It's us. We are the problem."

It's an opinion piece and behind a paywall (of course), but it is what it is.
"Utopia"...from the Greek. Meaning "nowhere". Populated by people who's name is Nobody. Terrance Hill would be pleased.
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Old 11-29-2021, 07:46 AM
 
Location: New York City
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"Utopia"...from the Greek. Meaning "nowhere". Populated by people who's name is Nobody. Terrance Hill would be pleased.
James Lindsay recently did a piece on some of the neo-Marxist writings of the Frankfurt school where he uncovered one of their publications where they admitted that you "cannot describe Utopia positively". I think it may have been Horkheimer. They literally admitted that their end goal was a giant turd.

Useful idiots desperately need to understand this - there is no earthly 'Utopia' or 'liberation', only a power game being played by resentful, angry, evil people who are only interested in gaining power to burn everything to the ground. They are the original suicide bombers, only they play the long game
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Old 11-29-2021, 07:48 AM
 
Location: OH->FL->NJ
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I'm originally from NYC and now I live in white liberal Essex County not to far from folks in Montclair NJ who all have BLM and LGBT flags hoisted up on their front lawns. With that said. The wokeness, the progressiveness of these illiberal people only benefits a small Cadre of people and the the pularity of the majority of the constituency. Lol at defund the police. It is easy for progressive people to say defund the police like your academics, your educators, your media managers and all other elite jobs. Most of these people don't live in such areas, and if they work in such undesirable area. Such people rush to their cars or rush to the nearest commuter train to a hip gentrified neighborhood or some suburb. While the masses of the poor blacks, poor Hispanics, poor Muslims and at times the poor white are left to squalor. Nothing to see here folks.
For those not in NJ.

NJ suburban cops make good pay and live in nice quiet suburbs. Don't mess with their nice quiet suburbs. They get real mean real fast if you do.
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Old 11-29-2021, 07:52 AM
 
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James Lindsay recently did a piece on some of the neo-Marxist writings of the Frankfurt school where he uncovered one of their publications where they admitted that you "cannot describe Utopia positively". I think it may have been Horkheimer. They literally admitted that their end goal was a giant turd.

Useful idiots desperately need to understand this - there is no earthly Utopia, only a power game being played by resentful, angry, evil people who are only interested in gaining power to burn everything to the ground. They are the original suicide bombers, only they play the long game
Any sort of collectivism necessarily rejects any sort of individualism.

By definition, collective utopia/harmony requires first removing any notion of individual freedom. To have perfect order, one must remove any and all possible sources of individual chaos. Make no mistake, freedom is chaos because human nature is infinitely variable, thus individual humans making individual choices will always be a chaotic process. Collective harmony cannot have that, so the closer a system gets to collective harmony, the more force and oppression must be applied to each individual within that collective.
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Old 11-29-2021, 07:56 AM
 
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It's easy for the Democrats to pass the blame why their cities and states are not utopias. First they can blame Republicans for blocking them and since 2016 Trump and his fans are the problem. They also blame systemic racism for keeping their constituents down. If none of that answers the question as to why they struggle there is always the present climate change issues and the looming destruction of the planet.



Loons like AOC flirt with Socialism but not the type that decimated Venezuela, no they would do it right they tell us. Here is a better idea. How about NOT breaking what is working?



The Democrats I know are just not happy people by nature so even if they were living in a utopia of their own making there would be a Karen that would still complain.
The Republicans that attacked our Capitol and beat up 130 cops are happy people?
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Old 11-29-2021, 08:09 AM
 
Location: New York City
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The Republicans that attacked our Capitol and beat up 130 cops are happy people?
You consider those people republicans?
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Old 11-29-2021, 08:09 AM
 
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The Republicans that attacked our Capitol and beat up 130 cops are happy people?
Nobody who votes for a politician to apply force and violence to others in the name of some cause/desire/wish they want fulfilled by others is a happy person. The Republicans who "attacked" the Capitol with their costumes and selfie sticks were unhappy because the person they wanted to inflict harm upon all of us lost to the person the Democrats wanted to inflict harm upon all of us.

Their bully lost and the Dem bully won. Neither side is happy because both start with the same awful, evil desire - for their bully to be the oppressor of others.
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Old 11-29-2021, 08:26 AM
 
Location: NYC
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Both parties cater to the elites. But we need the poor schmucks to vote with us.

Republicans: you poor schmucks are our brethren in religion and race

Democrats: you poor schmucks are our brethren in the desire to create more social equality

I'm an elitist and if there were a viable elitist party that doesn't pander to the poor masses and can still get the votes to win, I'm all for it.
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Old 11-29-2021, 08:57 AM
 
Location: New York Area
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Their problem is they are pulled from the left by the Marxists and have no defense for their con job.

Let's not forget, Marxism was started as a petulant rejection of reality and trying to "synthesize" a new reality through the cultish Hegelian dialectic religion. Ever since Karl Marx, people of their ilk have completely ignored practical results and deluded themselves that they are on "the right side of history" forging ahead to a ridiculous utopia that doesn't exist while the world burns around them
It's a mental disorder fueled by a perception of moral superiority. Communists will tell you they chose communism because they care about people.
The trouble is that Marxism works extremely well in the one place it matters; in the classroom. High school and unfortunately even college students are very impressionable. In my case, less so but I wasn't totally immune.
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