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Old 12-02-2021, 10:17 AM
 
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Originally Posted by Dane_in_LA View Post
I wouldn't call NATO 7.62x51 an "intermediate cartridge". I would call H&K G3 an assault rifle.

Anyway, I'll happily agree that the assault weapons ban is a terrible piece of legislation, for two reasons:

1. It's vague and convoluted. People aren't sure if they're breaking the law or not, and that's a terrible thing in lawmaking.
2. People kill each other with handguns, anyway.

1. I don't know anyone who considers the 7.62 x 51 an intermediate cartridge.

2. The term was coined and later used to distinguish between traditional handgun/submachine gun rounds like .45 ACP and high muzzle energy, high recoil and heavy per round weight rounds like the .30-06 and .303 British and yes 7.62 x 51 and 7.62 x 54 NATO etc. I'll leave out the NATO vs. "US" overlaps for another time.
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Old 12-02-2021, 11:49 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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Yes it is.



I've never said that? Why would you even say that?

But it seems you are an expert, but you wont answer anything.





Yes.

To the bold, I have no clue what you are even talking about?



What is a AWB in the 90's?
So the difference of a few seconds to fire off 20 rounds in semi-auto vs full auto doesn't make the AR-15 a weapon of war?

Assault Weapons Ban.
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Old 12-02-2021, 12:04 PM
 
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So the difference of a few seconds to fire off 20 rounds in semi-auto vs full auto doesn't make the AR-15 a weapon of war?

Assault Weapons Ban.
You are saying this. Since there is no difference between an AR15 and a mag fed semi auto rifle or shotgun, other than caliber differences.

"So the difference of a few seconds to fire off 20 rounds in semi-auto vs full auto doesn't make any semi auto firearm a weapon of war? "

So , you really want to ban all semi auto firearms ?
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Old 12-02-2021, 12:07 PM
 
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So the difference of a few seconds to fire off 20 rounds in semi-auto vs full auto doesn't make the AR-15 a weapon of war?

Assault Weapons Ban.
Any weapon used to kill by direction of a government is a weapon of war, since war is murder by government. Knives and pistols are weapons of war.
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Old 12-02-2021, 12:08 PM
 
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So the difference of a few seconds to fire off 20 rounds in semi-auto vs full auto doesn't make the AR-15 a weapon of war?

Assault Weapons Ban.
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You are saying this. Since there is no difference between an AR15 and a mag fed semi auto rifle or shotgun, other than caliber differences.

"So the difference of a few seconds to fire off 20 rounds in semi-auto vs full auto doesn't make any semi auto firearm a weapon of war? "

So , you really want to ban all semi auto firearms ?
Exactly what Goodnight is saying.
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Old 12-02-2021, 12:14 PM
 
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Exactly what Goodnight is saying.
I just wish people would just come out and say it. All the bickering back and forth with people that know what they are talking about and those that don't just gets old.
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Old 12-02-2021, 12:18 PM
 
Location: Newport Beach, California
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any weapon used to kill by direction of a government is a weapon of war, since war is murder by government. Knives and pistols are weapons of war.
100%
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Old 12-02-2021, 12:19 PM
 
Location: North of Canada, but not the Arctic
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The term "assault rifle" is used by liberals to distinguish big scary guns from cute little guns.
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Old 12-02-2021, 12:20 PM
 
Location: Newport Beach, California
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So the difference of a few seconds to fire off 20 rounds in semi-auto vs full auto doesn't make the AR-15 a weapon of war?

Assault Weapons Ban.

The purpose of calling out the AR15, is because a propaganda effort based on this gun would be more effective than trying to scare people over a Ruger ranch rile or a Henry lever action.

AR type guns are very popular so they are owned by many law abiding citizens in the USA. When the ban on these guns goes into effect, many honest people lose their freedoms due to popularity. Property Rights have little value to the extreme Left, (extreme, key word) when they stand in the way of the Left's’ agenda. Many honest citizens have ARs. An all out ban will result in the loss of personal property (of which the Left disapproves), so this would be a great victory for the Leftists. However, the main reason is that the Left is able to scare more people by demonizing the AR type guns. The purpose of these bans,,,,,is the BAN itself. NO greater safety or security is gained from taking freedoms away from citizens who are doing nothing wrong. We could discuss how silly it is to ban a gun based on the shape of the handle,or the name, but if someone is part of the freedom hating Left gun control effort, it would do little good.
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Old 12-02-2021, 12:24 PM
 
Location: Newport Beach, California
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So the difference of a few seconds to fire off 20 rounds in semi-auto vs full auto doesn't make the AR-15 a weapon of war?
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It’s a step by step process, the idea being find the easiest target, like an AR-15 which due to it’s visual similarity with a M-16 and M-4 make it seem meaner, then when you finally get it banned switch the narrative and suddenly start believing statistics and it’ll seem that over night “vicious crime rates” linked to said weapon disappear, now it isn’t that farfetched to go for the next gun and the next followed by weapon types and finally leading to a complete weapons ban.

At least that’s the general idea, “look we banned this one so how about we also do the same to this other scary looking thing?”
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