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Old 01-21-2022, 09:43 AM
 
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If one won't vote Republican without socialism, then they have never lived under socialism. They don't likely even know anyone who has. They like the idea of the government taking money away from more successful people, then giving it to them.

If one won't vote Republican with socialism, its because they are living in a socialist country that won't allow Republican idealogy, or they do not believe the USA could become socialist, or worse. They too like the idea of the government taking money away from more sucessful people, then giving it to them, but with socialism, that money ran out a long time ago, so only 1 generation of takers benefitted by it.
If you lived under grinding poverty, high levels of crime, and ghetto conditions without living under socialism, you aren't going to see socialism as a dirty word. If your people spent the majority of their historical existence in the USA as enslaved or as 2nd class citizens, socialism isn't going to be a dirty word. You won't see socialism as something that would ruin society or take away freedom. If your people have a history of being denied the same freedom as everyone else.


People often vote based on their historical narrative, and what has shaped them. Those who have always been at the bottom of society's rungs will look out for themselves first.
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Old 01-21-2022, 09:44 AM
 
Location: USA
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I have listened. I know people from those countries. I am saying that the narrative for Vietnamese, Cuban, and Venezuelan voters is very different from people not from there.

Most Black people vote Democrat. For Black Americans, socialism isn't seen as something that destroyed Black areas. Alot of Black neighborhoods were already in bad shape without socialism.
Socialism is when the Government controls all aspects of business and society. It could be argued that government control in impoverished Black Communities has a tradition of being more corrupt than most.

Of course the other definition of Socialism is that Socialism is a transitory period between the overthrow of Capitism and Communism. Many Black Revolutionaries: ie. People involved in the creation of BLM and CRT are Marxist and apparently too stupid to recognize that Marxism is a failed ideology everywhere it has been inacted.
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Old 01-21-2022, 10:14 AM
 
Location: Free State of Florida
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If you lived under grinding poverty, high levels of crime, and ghetto conditions without living under socialism, you aren't going to see socialism as a dirty word. If your people spent the majority of their historical existence in the USA as enslaved or as 2nd class citizens, socialism isn't going to be a dirty word. You won't see socialism as something that would ruin society or take away freedom. If your people have a history of being denied the same freedom as everyone else.


People often vote based on their historical narrative, and what has shaped them. Those who have always been at the bottom of society's rungs will look out for themselves first.
If people are ignorant of what socialism is, then I see your point. Its our jobs to educate our kids, and our schools job to teach history so all will know what socialism is, & how it can lead to communism.
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Old 01-21-2022, 10:28 AM
 
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If people are ignorant of what socialism is, then I see your point. Its our jobs to educate our kids, and our schools job to teach history so all will know what socialism is, & how it can lead to communism.
Well, for Black Americans, they have been at the bottom from day one. Many people likely know what socialism is. However, I think about this. Black Americans have a long history of having less freedom than anyone else. Black Americans, particularly in the South, have liked under a quasi-dictatorship up to the 1960s.

You can educate people about socialism. However, if the group you belong to is already the poorest without it, this is going to shape one's mentality. Think about this. The Black Panther Party in the 1960s took up Marxist ideas. Why? They viewed the American system as being oppressive towards Black people, especially poor Blacks.

Something else. There is an us vs them mentality that isn't going away. We live in a low trust society. In low trust societies, people vote based on what is best for #1 or one's in-group instead of society as a whole. You can blame history for that.
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Old 01-21-2022, 10:45 AM
 
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Well, for Black Americans, they have been at the bottom from day one. Many people likely know what socialism is. However, I think about this. Black Americans have a long history of having less freedom than anyone else. Black Americans, particularly in the South, have liked under a quasi-dictatorship up to the 1960s.

You can educate people about socialism. However, if the group you belong to is already the poorest without it, this is going to shape one's mentality. Think about this. The Black Panther Party in the 1960s took up Marxist ideas. Why? They viewed the American system as being oppressive towards Black people, especially poor Blacks.

Something else. There is an us vs them mentality that isn't going away. We live in a low trust society. In low trust societies, people vote based on what is best for #1 or one's in-group instead of society as a whole. You can blame history for that.
Interesting that the Black Panthers were conned into thinking Marxism, another system entirely created by White people was some sort of path to success. In actuality today small , medium and large businesses have created more Black millionaires in the US then the entire world combined. No Marxist involved unless people like Oprah are now Marxist.

Can't be too low Trust when Donald Trump recieved more Black Votes running against Biden, then he did against Hillary.
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Old 01-21-2022, 10:48 AM
 
Location: Florida
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If you lived under grinding poverty, high levels of crime, and ghetto conditions without living under socialism, you aren't going to see socialism as a dirty word. If your people spent the majority of their historical existence in the USA as enslaved or as 2nd class citizens, socialism isn't going to be a dirty word. You won't see socialism as something that would ruin society or take away freedom. If your people have a history of being denied the same freedom as everyone else.


People often vote based on their historical narrative, and what has shaped them. Those who have always been at the bottom of society's rungs will look out for themselves first.
Victim hood explained. Victim hood front and center. Reparations are necessary.

The false belief that someone ELSE is to blame and all we need to do is take away the someone's power-money and everything will be OK. Everything will fix itself. The world will be a better place. sins of the past will be gone.

I'm beginning to believe you're another one who actually believes the crap you type.
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Old 01-21-2022, 11:43 AM
 
Location: NJ/NY
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Every state is supported by the federal government one way or another. If states consider their aid socialism, then they need to opt out and refuse their support
Under this proposal, would the federal income tax be lowered in theses states, to only cover federal expenses, removing all aid to other states?
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Old 01-21-2022, 11:52 AM
 
Location: USA
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Victim hood explained. Victim hood front and center. Reparations are necessary.

The false belief that someone ELSE is to blame and all we need to do is take away the someone's power-money and everything will be OK. Everything will fix itself. The world will be a better place. sins of the past will be gone.

I'm beginning to believe you're another one who actually believes the crap you type.
Leftism, Socialism, Marxism fails everywhere it goes, unless your like Bernie who uses Monoculture examples like Sweden as an example. Even if they were Socialist, which they are not, last I checked the US doesn't look anything like any Nordic country.
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Old 01-21-2022, 12:24 PM
 
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If people are ignorant of what socialism is, then I see your point. Its our jobs to educate our kids, and our schools job to teach history so all will know what socialism is, & how it can lead to communism.
Excuses, excuses by that poster. What's with the "your" people remark? Everything he says is based on "your aka his" people. The victimhood of the past is alive and well with him. Maybe someday he will bring himself up to the present but I doubt it as the victim card is his ace in the hole. I doubt that he is even old enough to have been a victim but like many blacks they use it anyway to support socialism instead of taking advantage of the opportunities that blacks have today. Just what freedom don't blacks have today anyway? Crime, poverty and ghettos are created by those who perpetuate it.
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Old 01-21-2022, 12:36 PM
 
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Latinos now prefer a Republican over a Democrat according to polls.

The poll does not have data by state, but I think that heavily non-Hispanic White states ultimately will go much more for the GOP or will go from purple to heavily Republican.

The reality is most Latinos and a large percentage of Suburban and Rural Whites are the ones work jobs that matter to the country and are economically feeling Beijing Biden's Inflation.

The urban whites with their consultant, strategist and elite government subsidized positions don't care about inflation and love the Democrats trillions out of thin air from the Biden regime and the zero interest rate policies of the Biden regime also.

The polls show African-American still strongly support the Democrats.

https://www.breitbart.com/midterm-el...ublicans-2018/

https://scottrasmussen.com/generic-b...-democrats-38/
Well, this little rural white is still a Biden booster. Not that crazy about him, but will continue to vote Dem especially if you-know-who is on the ballot.
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