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Old 12-31-2021, 01:48 PM
 
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Eh, lack of corruption is laughable, and it's no feather in the cap that it may be less at the lower levels. I've been to other countries in Africa and Europe BTW; in depth, multiple times, and have researched them as well.
It should be that feather in the cap. Zero corruption requires perfect human nature which we know is impossible. So to live with that, we install 'anti-corruption' measures in social and governmental structures wherever we can, and take pleasure whenever they succeed. Justice and law are just about the most common ways lower levels officials enriches and abuses ordinary people. Try bribing an American judge or police officer and see what happens next.
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Old 12-31-2021, 01:55 PM
 
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Great list but with the current administration's push away from our freedoms not sure if they will remain things to love about America. The America I grew up and loved seems to have disappeared, along with the patriotism and respect for our country. Only hope is that America wakes up and votes those that are trying to take away our freedom out of office.
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Old 12-31-2021, 02:02 PM
 
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It should be that feather in the cap. Zero corruption requires perfect human nature which we know is impossible. So to live with that, we install 'anti-corruption' measures in social and governmental structures wherever we can, and take pleasure whenever they succeed. Justice and law are just about the most common ways lower levels officials enriches and abuses ordinary people. Try bribing an American judge or police officer and see what happens next.
You don't have to bribe anyone. The system is set up so that if you have the money you buy the best defense. The lawyer has frequent professional dealings with with the prosecutor. Maybe the prosecutor wants to be a defense attorney someday. They make deals. The lawyer gets 10 grand for an hour's work and the prosecutor gets a win on the books, even though the felonies are reduced to misdemeanors and community service and a fine. Everyone is happy. Even if you are innocent you take the deal because the prosecutor is threatening 10 years in prison, and a jury might rubber stamp it. And the lawyer would charge a hundred grand to defend you in court and there's no guarantee. That's the way the criminal justice system worked for me and it was an eye opener after all these years, speaking from personal experience. But I'm not complaining, because it's the way things are and I could afford the 10 grand an hour and fines. Like I said, sometimes it's your turn in the barrel. Is it corruption? I think so but you might think justice was served if it didn't happen to you.
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Old 12-31-2021, 02:10 PM
 
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Palestine by way of Jordan
Suddenly things make sense.
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Old 12-31-2021, 02:31 PM
 
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You don't have to bribe anyone. The system is set up so that if you have the money you buy the best defense. The lawyer has frequent professional dealings with with the prosecutor. Maybe the prosecutor wants to be a defense attorney someday. They make deals. The lawyer gets 10 grand for an hour's work and the prosecutor gets a win on the books, even though the felonies are reduced to misdemeanors and community service and a fine. Everyone is happy. Even if you are innocent you take the deal because the prosecutor is threatening 10 years in prison, and a jury might rubber stamp it. And the lawyer would charge a hundred grand to defend you in court and there's no guarantee. That's the way the criminal justice system worked for me and it was an eye opener after all these years, speaking from personal experience. But I'm not complaining, because it's the way things are and I could afford the 10 grand an hour and fines. Like I said, sometimes it's your turn in the barrel. Is it corruption? I think so but you might think justice was served if it didn't happen to you.
So what is your alternative system?
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Old 12-31-2021, 02:35 PM
 
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America has the unparalleled opportunity to make money, the rest is up to you.

I've lived in several countries an none come even close to the amount of job possibilities America has.
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Old 12-31-2021, 02:38 PM
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It should be that feather in the cap. Zero corruption requires perfect human nature which we know is impossible. So to live with that, we install 'anti-corruption' measures in social and governmental structures wherever we can, and take pleasure whenever they succeed. Justice and law are just about the most common ways lower levels officials enriches and abuses ordinary people. Try bribing an American judge or police officer and see what happens next.
Ok, put the feather in the cap then; I'll try not to make too much fun of how it looks.
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Old 12-31-2021, 02:53 PM
 
Location: Arizona
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Sadly, half of our country thinks it should be called the Bill of Wrongs....
Sadly, you are correct!

Making matters worse are Left wing justices twisting the word's around to mean something that they were never intended to mean. Unfortunately they've gotten away with this for decades on end.
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Old 12-31-2021, 03:06 PM
 
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Ok, put the feather in the cap then; I'll try not to make too much fun of how it looks.
Would you say the same to citizens of another country if any of them feel the same about his/her country? That was a rhetorical question. I will guess the answer: No.

If citizens of other countries exhibits any form of patriotism about their countries, you would probably applaud them. It is only the US and Americans that deserves mockery, right? Correct me if am wrong.

Disclosure: Am a refugee from communism, an emigre to the US, a naturalized citizen, and a veteran.

I was active duty when East Germany existed. I actually worked around nuclear weapons, as in being physically with them in a 'No Lone Zone' in an assignment where we cannot confirm nor deny the existence thereof said weapons. So I been around and seen much.
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Old 12-31-2021, 03:11 PM
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Location: TN
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Would you say the same to citizens of another country if any of them feel the same about his/her country? That was a rhetorical question. I will guess the answer: No.

If citizens of other countries exhibits any form of patriotism about their countries, you would probably applaud them. It is only the US and Americans that deserves mockery, right? Correct me if am wrong.

Disclosure: Am a refugee from communism, an emigre to the US, a naturalized citizen, and a veteran.

I was active duty when East Germany existed. I actually worked around nuclear weapons, as in being physically with them in a 'No Lone Zone' in an assignment where we cannot confirm nor deny the existence thereof said weapons. So I been around and seen much.
If corruption affects day-to-day life, it's fine to complain, regardless of country, regardless if it's coming from socialists, capitalists or anything else. Not interested in mockery as such.

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