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Old 01-03-2022, 10:21 AM
 
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I don’t think it’s up for debate among legal and constitutional scholars on both sides and of every stripe, that the amendment is not written clearly, or even grammatically.
Only people who don't like what it clearly says even attempt to argue that it isn't written clearly.

The right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed could not be any clearer.
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Old 01-03-2022, 10:29 AM
 
Location: Arizona
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New Flash!! Slavery in the United States of America has been over for over a 150 years now!!

So, what the heck does the 2A have to do with slavery, today in 2021?? The last time I checked, anybody regardless of Color and doesn’t have a felony criminal record, can buy firearm in America today, if they choose to. I’m a descendant of African slaves in the United States and I bought firearms before…. Even after checking the race box as Black!!

If we’re going to travel down the road to stupid-ville, than the Democrat Party is STILL the party of slavery AND even went to war over it!!
As it should be!!! The Bill of Rights was not designed or intended to discriminate against anyone. It's the politicians and those who elected them that chose to ignore it that caused all of the problems.

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Old 01-03-2022, 10:34 AM
 
Location: Arizona
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Boy you are grumpy, I was saying that this is how NPR thinks, not me.
I was going to come to your defense but you beat me to it!!!
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Old 01-03-2022, 10:37 AM
 
Location: Arizona
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If I did then my apoligies.
That's okay I think we all know that you made an honest mistake.
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Old 01-03-2022, 10:41 AM
 
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When it's referring to them as a "well-regulated militia". These were run by states, and not the federal government.

You don't see the first amendment stating:

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

Let this sit on you for awhile. THAT'S why 2A mentions a well-regulated militia. THAT'S why. Because it's about the right of the state militia of virginia, and not about Joe Homeowner protecting his house from an intruder.
That is true. A well-regulated militia has a command structure and reports ultimately to the Governor. In time of emergency the Governor can call out the militia. I think not just in case of slave rebellions, but also in case of a foreign invasion. Remember, the US did not have much of a standing army at the time.

But a bunch of idiots with guns, gathering to take the law in their own hands - no, that's not a militia, that's an armed mob. I don't think that's what the 2A was meant to protect.
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Old 01-03-2022, 10:48 AM
 
Location: On the Chesapeake
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That is true. A well-regulated militia has a command structure and reports ultimately to the Governor. In time of emergency the Governor can call out the militia. I think not just in case of slave rebellions, but also in case of a foreign invasion. Remember, the US did not have much of a standing army at the time.

But a bunch of idiots with guns, gathering to take the law in their own hands - no, that's not a militia, that's an armed mob. I don't think that's what the 2A was meant to protect.
Except "well regulated" doesn't mean, in the context of the 18th Century, what you think it means.

https://constitutioncenter.org/image...CNN_Aug_11.pdf


How do you define this?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lym9auBJPlE
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Old 01-03-2022, 11:03 AM
 
Location: Honolulu, HI
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America was a slave nation, decades after Britain banned slavery, so yes militias had the authority to stop slave rebellion.

The entire point of the American revolution was so America could preserve slavery, otherwise the south would've never joined the north in fighting against Britain.
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Old 01-03-2022, 11:14 AM
 
Location: On the Chesapeake
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America was a slave nation, decades after Britain banned slavery, so yes militias had the authority to stop slave rebellion.

The entire point of the American revolution was so America could preserve slavery, otherwise the south would've never joined the north in fighting against Britain.
Britain did not ban slavery until 1833, although it did ban (and took measures to enforce it) the British trans-Atlantic slave trade. Just about the time the US banned the importation of slaves in 1808.

https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-s...61464920070322
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Old 01-03-2022, 11:17 AM
 
Location: South of Heaven
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Liberals are insane.
You have to admire their persistence though.
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Old 01-03-2022, 11:18 AM
 
Location: New York City
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Except "well regulated" doesn't mean, in the context of the 18th Century, what you think it means.
Correct, the wording "well regulated" militia means "properly functional", as in a well regulated clock that keeps time properly
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