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Old 01-04-2022, 09:40 AM
 
Location: Florida
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because something has baffled you doesn't mean it baffles many or most.

because you, in 2021/2022 choose to disagree with the language of one of the 10 Bill of Rights doesn't meant they should have "just said that".

because you now digest a one-sided, inaccurate (aka dates of Haitian Revolt vs dates of Amendment) interpretation doesn't mean you "now know why".

It means you're an ________.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-cDAqrywsHE
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Old 01-04-2022, 09:51 AM
 
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Npr
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Old 01-04-2022, 11:53 AM
 
Location: South of Heaven
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And, once again, documentation that Great Britain/British Empire did not abolish slavery until 1833, well after the Revolution.

https://historicengland.org.uk/resea...ion/time-line/

https://www.britannica.com/topic/Slavery-Abolition-Act

One judge in one case saying it's illegal doesn't matter. The same way it doesn't today in the US. In fact, the case isn't even mentioned in the either timeline I linked.
Dude, you're getting in the way of a spicy take. lol
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Old 01-04-2022, 11:56 AM
 
Location: Tyler, TX
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This makes SUCH PERFECT SENSE. Everyone has wondered what was the deal with militias - why was that mentioned in this amendment? Why is it so confusingly written? Surely, the founding fathers who were flush with pride in their brand new government, weren't trying to arm citizens against the government they worked so very hard to carefully create?
I stopped there. Holy moly. You don't understand our country at all.

AT ALL.

Do you know why the call America "the great experiment"?

It's because it's the first time in recorded history that the People created a system of government by which they governed themselves.

Do you get how monumental that is? Apparently not.

Whatever you wrote after that is founded on a complete misunderstanding of the mindset of the founders. Your mindset, by the way, was developed and instilled into you intentionally. YOU HAVE BEEN TRICKED.
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Old 01-04-2022, 12:49 PM
 
Location: The High Desert
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Yes it was. George Washington rebelled against the notion of Britain banning and taxing slavery.

Fighting to preserve slavery was the only way to unite America against the British.
Nice try but no cigar.
You are not entitled to make up your own history and pretend it is fact.
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Old 01-04-2022, 01:09 PM
 
Location: The High Desert
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Of course there is. The two sentences directly contradict each other.
Nope. The word "infringed" means "abolished" in the 18th century context. That is what is prohibited. It does not mean the possession of firearms is never to be limited or restricted or controlled. The right is permanent and precedes the constitution through English common law. No one can just "take your guns" but they can limit or control. The US has always been a gun culture and the possession is a protected right, but it can be regulated by the government. The 2A recognizes the right and that it cannot be abolished. Period.
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Old 01-04-2022, 01:22 PM
 
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Nope. The word "infringed" means "abolished" in the 18th century context. That is what is prohibited. It does not mean the possession of firearms is never to be limited or restricted or controlled. The right is permanent and precedes the constitution through English common law. No one can just "take your guns" but they can limit or control. The US has always been a gun culture and the possession is a protected right, but it can be regulated by the government. The 2A recognizes the right and that it cannot be abolished. Period.
You can keep trying to deny what the 2A says, and what you wrote, but both are abundantly clear.
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Old 01-04-2022, 01:28 PM
 
Location: On the Chesapeake
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Nope. The word "infringed" means "abolished" in the 18th century context. That is what is prohibited. It does not mean the possession of firearms is never to be limited or restricted or controlled. The right is permanent and precedes the constitution through English common law. No one can just "take your guns" but they can limit or control. The US has always been a gun culture and the possession is a protected right, but it can be regulated by the government. The 2A recognizes the right and that it cannot be abolished. Period.
Not according to the dictionary in common use in both Great Britain and the colonies at the time:

https://johnsonsdictionaryonline.com...?term=infringe
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Old 01-04-2022, 01:44 PM
 
Location: Pinetop-Lakeside, AZ
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This makes SUCH PERFECT SENSE. Everyone has wondered what was the deal with militias - why was that mentioned in this amendment? Why is it so confusingly written? Surely, the founding fathers who were flush with pride in their brand new government, weren't trying to arm citizens against the government they worked so very hard to carefully create?

Turns out, no, they weren't trying to arm citizens against the US government. But rather, Virginia wanted to make sure they had the ability to regulate their own state militias, without interference from the federal government, to extinguish slave rebellions that they predicted would happen.

The 2nd amendment was added in 1791. The very year the Haitian Rebellion began, where slaves in Haiti rebelled (successfully) against their masters. At that moment, white people were fleeing Haiti with their slaves, and coming to Virginia. The Virginians were rightfully worried that these new Haitian slaves being brought in would organize a rebellion and overthrow the state.

Makes such crystal clear, perfect sense. Like the police forces in the south that were begun with the entire focus of locating and returning runaway slaves, 2A was designed to extinguish a slave rebellion.

https://www.npr.org/2021/06/02/10021...-2nd-amendment

(Pardon me if this has been posted before).
One question. Why was the 'shot heard around the world' fired? Because the British were coming to confiscate colonists' firearms.


But, racist. Gotcha.
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Old 01-04-2022, 05:00 PM
 
Location: The High Desert
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One question. Why was the 'shot heard around the world' fired? Because the British were coming to confiscate colonists' firearms.


But, racist. Gotcha.
Poor example.
“On the night of April 18, 1775, hundreds of British troops marched from Boston to nearby Concord in order to seize an arms cache.”

Not personal weapons but a weapons cache. This was a military expedition, not some sudden plot to take away all guns or disarm a peaceful citizenry.
Who fired the first shot? No one knows.
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