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Old 01-03-2022, 08:49 AM
 
Location: Barrington
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I don’t know what variant they have. Nobody I know is told that either. So how do they know?
Is it the Omicron variant that’s causing this? Is the vaccine causing it? Is the vaccine not working? Right now I know at least 10 people vaccine who have it. Some tested negative and then a few days later were positive. I know a few who had it twice after vaccinated or got it again after being vaccinated. What is the point of mandates when everyone is getting it anyways? Or are we just focusing on hospitalizations now?
Only a small percentage of positive specimens are analyzed for specific variants. The results are then interpolated over the entire population. CDC recently revised their numbers for Omicron. Delta continues to be the dominate variant in many areas while Omicron ramps up.

The vaccine is not causing Covid.

Covid is not immediately detectable. The quick tests are often inaccurate, false positives and negatives.

There is a gap between the test and results during which ,one may get infected. Dependent on lab and location the backlog between tests and results can run 10 days.

Then there is the human error factor. My sister received both a positive and negative outcome from 2 PCR tests, on the same day, different locations and labs.

We have known since mid summer the efficacy of vaccine begins to wane at the 5-6 month mark. Only 25% of the previously vaccinated population has received a booster.

What the vaccines seem to be doing is reducing the incidence of serious Covid requiring hospitalization.
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Old 01-03-2022, 08:52 AM
 
Location: King County, WA
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Time matters. The vaccination helps prep your body to fight COVID-19. If you are not vaccinated, the body has to learn how to fight it from scratch, which takes time. Meanwhile the virus is replicating exponentially and could overwhelm your immune system.
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Old 01-03-2022, 08:56 AM
 
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The vaccination does not now, nor has it ever, been an absolute in preventing anyone from getting COVID. It lessens your chances of getting it, but if you do get infected your symptoms will normally not be as severe. That’s it’s, it’s not magic.
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Old 01-03-2022, 08:59 AM
 
Location: A Nation Possessed
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Many people I know who never had Covid got it after being vaccinated and or booster
That's the mark of a hell of a good vaccine.


Interesting that our forefathers used to come up with vaccines that actually provided real immunity to the targeted diseases. What we seem to have now in the medical science field is the equivalent of nineteenth century charlatans selling snake oil on the frontier. Big claims. Little effect. Not to mention side effects and long-term damage. Snake oil would be safer. It didn't short circuit your genetic processes.
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Old 01-03-2022, 09:01 AM
 
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98% of people who were unvaccinated and who got Covid also didn’t die.

The vaccine is a scam of epic proportions.
Assuming your percentage is correct (2% died), then getting vaccinated could drive that down to 0.2% or less. Extrapolating to the entire US population gives an expectation of 7 million dead, without a vaccine.

You may feel that 2% is insignificant, but how does that make it a scam? At what risk level would you consider it serious enough to do something about it? 10%? 20%? 50%?
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Old 01-03-2022, 09:09 AM
 
Location: Barrington
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My dad who is 75 and has 3+ comorbidities, got 3 Morderna shots with his booster coming back in September.

Anyways, he got COVID last month (Delta) and nearly died from it.

It's my belief (and I could be wrong!) that if he didn't have those 3 Moderna shots he would be dead right now. It gave his body at least a chance to start fighting off the virus until they could give him steroids and the monoclonal antibody treatment.
Vaccine is reducing the likelihood of serious Covid.

It is unimaginable to me to grasp the outcomes had the US chosen to be the one and only country to shun all vaccines, let alone any restrictions on personal behaviors that a vocal minority of minority seems to advocate for.
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Old 01-03-2022, 09:24 AM
 
Location: A Nation Possessed
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Vaccine is reducing the likelihood of serious Covid.
Yeah, right. That's the claim, isn't it? And it will end up being like all the other claims with this vaccine that have turned out to be lies.
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Old 01-03-2022, 09:26 AM
 
Location: Barrington
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A woman at work got Covid after her first vac. This was around the time the delta variant was discovered. My sister in law got Covid twice. She has not been vaccinated.

I also wonder how they know which variant. A guy at work got covid a few weeks ago and they didnt tell him which variant. No one I know has been told which variant.
Only a small percentage of positive samples are further analyzed for specific variants, anywhere and everywhere. Who is going to perform the analysis? Who is going to pay for it?

CDC recently revised its projection of Omicron. Delta is still very much in circulation in some areas. Omicron is however gaining traction.

In my state, 90% of hospitalizations are among the unvaccinated. The number is likely higher as people lie, especially when they perceive they may not receive the same level of medical care as someone who claims to be vaccinated.

I have lost track of the number of people I know who were hospitalized with serious Covid in 2020 and early 2021, pre vaccine. Two were hospitalized twice, months apart. We’re they reinfected or did the original infection never go away.
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Old 01-03-2022, 09:27 AM
 
Location: Malaga Spain & Lady Lake, Florida
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Vaccine is reducing the likelihood of serious Covid.

It is unimaginable to me to grasp the outcomes had the US chosen to be the one and only country to shun all vaccines, let alone any restrictions on personal behaviors that a vocal minority of minority seems to advocate for.
You had a 99.95% chance of surviving Covid without a vaccine, how much really do you expect an experimental vaccine to improve those chances?

The average age of a covid death is still around 82 with 2 comorbidities

Look around the world at the countries with low uptake like Africa they are either no worse off or better off.

Countries with high vaccine uptake are only now starting to acknowledge the adverse effects that these vaccines bring and the vaccine damage is going to go on for years to come.

We might still be in the vocal minority but each day with more people waking up and less willing to roll the dice on endless boosters, we will soon be the overwhelming majority.
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Old 01-03-2022, 09:31 AM
 
Location: In a George Strait Song
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I asked my Primary Doctor about getting vaccinated, given you could still get Covid, and his response?

But at least you won't die from it!
Right, you might die from the vaccine.
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