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Old 01-05-2022, 02:57 PM
 
Location: Old Dominion
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We don't mind discussing it but what the liberal left does is to demonize whites alive today for something we didn't do. You don't know the difference?
Who demonizes whites alive today for something they didn't do? There aren't many people who do this except for some idiots on the radical fringe. I do think more on the left need to call this out when they hear it. I will speak out against anyone that essentializes a group of people based on their immutable characteristics.
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Old 01-05-2022, 02:57 PM
 
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The concept is actually an insult. They are saying that enslaved blacks were building the country, but that their output was being appropriated. So immediately after being freed, they no longer could build the country from their own output? No claim is made that they are building the country now.




The entire premise will fall apart as they attempt to answer such an absurdity. Slaves have never done much for many reasons. People are not motivated to create anything that is appropriated by someone else. It would be remarkably sad if blacks could build a country as slaves while being unable to do so as a free people.
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Old 01-05-2022, 03:09 PM
 
Location: Old Dominion
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The concept is actually an insult. They are saying that enslaved blacks were building the country, but that their output was being appropriated. So immediately after being freed, they no longer could build the country from their own output? No claim is made that they are building the country now.




The entire premise will fall apart as they attempt to answer such an absurdity. Slaves have never done much for many reasons. People are not motivated to create anything that is appropriated by someone else. It would be remarkably sad if blacks could build a country as slaves while being unable to do so as a free people.
Does anyone actually say that black people aren't contributing the building of America in the present day, or is this a tidbit that you decided to add in without any evidence? People have been building stuff for quite some time that gets appropriated by someone else, unfortunately. No one else is saying that black people aren't contributing to the building of America to this day except for you.
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Old 01-05-2022, 03:11 PM
 
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The concept is actually an insult. They are saying that enslaved blacks were building the country, but that their output was being appropriated. So immediately after being freed, they no longer could build the country from their own output? No claim is made that they are building the country now.




The entire premise will fall apart as they attempt to answer such an absurdity. Slaves have never done much for many reasons. People are not motivated to create anything that is appropriated by someone else. It would be remarkably sad if blacks could build a country as slaves while being unable to do so as a free people.

slaves were property, just thinking a beating or whipping is a good motivator...


buckminster fuller wrote a brief synopsis of history once, simplified it says england sits on an island of coal


theres your industrial revolution....sea-faring england developed an accurate clock to enable longitude and latitude accuracy and global navigation, and lastly england improved central banking to finance growth


simple proximity to mineral wealth, no DNA/genetic reasons for english/white domination needed
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Old 01-05-2022, 03:13 PM
 
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Wow, those other things meaning an advanced knowledge of mathematics and engineering.

The industrialization does not INCLUDE it, but it's BASED on it.



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How does a society allow for enough leisure time to study things such as mathematics without some accumulation of wealth?

It's not the "society," but the UPPER CLASS of Europe that could afford to study such things as mathematics/science, and then to invest in those coming from more humble background, but still capable.

But guess what, the wealth that that class accumulated, had nothing to do with the "Blacks" or "colonization" that you are trying to imply everywhere, since the original scientific advances took place in Europe long before any "colonization of Africa."



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Do you really think a subsistence community has the ability to engage in 'trivial' things like advance mathematics when they have to worry about surviving?

Then the "subsistinence community" is less developed than Europeans to begin with.



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So we are back to square one it seems.

Yes we are.
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Old 01-05-2022, 03:18 PM
 
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Who demonizes whites alive today for something they didn't do? There aren't many people who do this except for some idiots on the radical fringe. I do think more on the left need to call this out when they hear it. I will speak out against anyone that essentializes a group of people based on their immutable characteristics.

Their numbers are growing up lately, and they are becoming more vocal.
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Old 01-05-2022, 03:23 PM
 
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slaves were property, just thinking a beating or whipping is a good motivator...


buckminster fuller wrote a brief synopsis of history once, simplified it says england sits on an island of coal


theres your industrial revolution....sea-faring england developed an accurate clock to enable longitude and latitude accuracy and global navigation, and lastly england improved central banking to finance growth


simple proximity to mineral wealth, no DNA/genetic reasons for english/white domination needed

Jesus.
What "simple proximity to mineral wealth?"


"1709- Abraham Darby leases the furnace which he successfully uses for the first time. Darby was able to sell 81 tons of iron goods that year. He would become a crucial figure in industry, discovering a method of producing pig iron fuelled by coke rather than charcoal.
1712- Thomas Newcomen invents the first steam engine.
1719- The silk factory is started by John Lombe. Located in Derbyshire, Lombe’s Mill opens as a silk throwing mill, the first successful one of its kind in England.
1733- The simple weaving machine is invented by John Kay known as the Flying Shuttle. The new invention allowed for automatic machine looms which could weave wider fabrics and speed up the manufacturing process.
1750- Cotton cloths were being produced using the raw cotton imported from overseas. Cotton exports would help make Britain a commercial success.
1761- The Bridgewater Canal opens, the first of its kind in Britain. It was named after Francis Egerton, 3rd Duke of Bridgewater who commissioned it in order to transport the coal from his mines in Worsley.

https://www.historic-uk.com/HistoryU...al-Revolution/

If I could google up that much, so could you.
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Old 01-05-2022, 03:24 PM
 
Location: Western PA
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About 3.9 M slaves by 1860. It is common knowledge that the cotton gin made slavery more profitable and actually increased the demand for more slaves. Maybe your version of American history isn't taught.

As expected, the first response would be wrong and or off point. In that history, other africans fed-ex'd 12.5M africans to here. Of that number 10.7M survived the middle passage.


Of that number, only 388K actually LANDED HERE. I leave it to you as homework to tell us where the rest went.


meaning of the 3. M population by 1860, other than the survivors of the 388K, some were imported NOT from africa and the rest were 'begats'; as for the democrats, it was in their best interests to breed slave males. That very true part of history is rarely repeated at each DNC convention, given how coveted it is. equally true is after the outcome of the war, the same democrats - literally - pushed for population control and got it from Maggie such that it is funded for that exact purpose, every year up until TODAY.


I am a Norwin grad and the history we were taught was as it was, not what someone wants it to be. You would do well to be able to say the same.
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Old 01-05-2022, 03:24 PM
 
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Does anyone actually say that black people aren't contributing the building of America in the present day, or is this a tidbit that you decided to add in without any evidence? People have been building stuff for quite some time that gets appropriated by someone else,



lol the logic falls apart. If blacks are building the country now, then why the victim status? Why are they not demanding their proper remuneration?





Its not uphill, both ways.


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unfortunately. No one else is saying that black people aren't contributing to the building of America to this day except for you.



lol. Try that hucksterism somewhere else. The claim implicit in building the country is they built it substantially. So you claim that 80% of the GDP is because of blacks before they continue to be swindled suckers to this day?



Competence is required.
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Old 01-05-2022, 03:37 PM
 
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slaves were property, just thinking a beating or whipping is a good motivator...


buckminster fuller wrote a brief synopsis of history once, simplified it says england sits on an island of coal


theres your industrial revolution....sea-faring england developed an accurate clock to enable longitude and latitude accuracy and global navigation, and lastly england improved central banking to finance growth


simple proximity to mineral wealth, no DNA/genetic reasons for english/white domination needed





Great logic but unresearched . Slavery benefits the slave holders but generally it creates costs and externaties born by the general populace . Same thing is true of colonies and war. A special interest benefits but only when they can easily pass on the cost. Good mining techniques were created by Roman freemen , not slaves. The reason is because freemen have a motivation to efficiency while slaves do not. Slavery is usually at its peak when civilizations begin to fall.



About the only thing worth taking from this comment is that economic rents are the most prone to slavery because the wealth is easily alienated from the slave, unlike say knowing how to read Greek and Latin.
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