If blacks built American, why aren't Liberia and Sierra Leone rich? (radical, Jesus)
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I see people just trying to give an accurate record. You like to put down other people's knowledge of history, but it's clear that you have a knowledge of history that only focuses heavily on a few certain issues. "CRT" I believe they're calling it these days.
No, I don't have a knowledge of history that only focuses heavily on few certain issues. I try to stay informed on a broad base of history. Like this one sjw poster going off on the assertion that the American Revolution was fought only to preserve history, because he was under the false assumption that Britain banned slavery in all of the colonies. Just like the OP in this that has gaslighted the other position into the most uncharitable interpretation of what many people actually say. It is a fact that slavery enabled this country to have great wealth, but it surely wasn't the only contributing factor.
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It's not white conservatives that suffer from white guilt but the white, liberal left! Why should any whites feel guilty over a past that they weren't even a part of nor were even alive back then? We are only responsible for our own actions not the action of dead people regardless of their race!
Some of the remarks made here are not only inaccurate lies but are just plain stupid!
Exactly! I feel the same way. That's why I have no problem discussing the dark sides of history. It seems conservatives get really worked up when this stuff is brought up.
Do you realize wealth and industrialization builds off of preceding wealth and industrialization. You act as if the south had no hand in how the north procured their wealth. This is an ignorant take on this. You keep moving the goal posts on this one because I have already proved your assertion wrong.
Keep shifting those goal posts.
"In 1860, 5 of the 10 wealthiest states in the US are slave states; 6 of the top 10 in per capita wealth; calculated just by white population, 8 of 10. The single wealthiest county per capita was Adams County, Mississippi."
Industrialization requires an ability to understand math and engineering, plus having enough of labor on the ground that understand the basics of it as well ( read technicians, skilled workers.)
Not too many nations are capable of it.
The accumulated wealth does not automatically provide industrialization.
It's not one and the same thing, and that's what you apparently can't understand.
Industrialization requires an ability to understand math and engineering, plus having enough of labor on the ground that understand the basics of it as well ( read technicians, skilled workers.)
Not too many nations are capable of it.
The accumulated wealth does not automatically provide industrialization.
It's not one and the same thing, and that's what you apparently can't understand.
I never said that industrialization didn't include those other things. I said that the accumulation of some sort of wealth and being able to industrialize in the first place is a building block for further industrialization. The things that you listed don't automatically lead to industrialization either, there are other contributing factors, an access to a commodity to build wealth in a nation being one of them.
Apparently you can't understand that previous accumulations of wealth make it a hell of a lot easier for one to industrialize in the first place, and the first act of industrialization makes it easier for succeeding forms of industrialization.
I never said that industrialization didn't include those other things. I said that the accumulation of some sort of wealth and being able to industrialize in the first place is a building block for further industrialization. The things that you listed don't automatically lead to industrialization either, there are other contributing factors, an access to a commodity to build wealth in a nation being one of them.
What "those other things?"
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Apparently you can't understand that previous accumulations of wealth make it a hell of a lot easier for one to industrialize in the first place, and the first act of industrialization makes it easier for succeeding forms of industrialization.
Sure, but without engineering/technicians industrialization is not possible. Even with accumulated wealth.
So we are back to the square one.
“Hey you know, we’re probably gonna end up treating these people like they’re less than human for the next 100 or so years. I can see us segregating them, telling them they cannot eat with us, making laws to put them in jail easier to put them back as slaves and lynching them. You know, we should probably protect them from us.”
No the purpose to relocate the Blacks ( or rather to return them to their native lands) was an attempt to separate the Whties and Blacks in the most peaceful manner.
People that were behind it could see the incompatibility of these two groups and could foresee the arising conflict in the long run.
The African-American community and abolitionist movement overwhelmingly opposed the project. In most cases, African Americans' families had lived in the United States for generations, and their prevailing sentiment was that they were no more African than white Americans were European. Contrary to stated claims that emigration was voluntary, many African Americans, both free and enslaved, were pressured into emigrating. Indeed, enslavers sometimes manumitted their slaves on condition that the freedmen leave the country immediately.[2][3]
According to historian Marc Leepson, "Colonization proved to be a giant failure, doing nothing to stem the forces that brought the nation to Civil War."[4] Between 1821 and 1847, only a few thousand African Americans, out of millions in the US, emigrated to what would become Liberia. Close to half of them died from tropical diseases. In addition, the transportation of the emigrants to the African continent, including the provisioning of requisite tools and supplies, proved very expensive.[
The African-American community and abolitionist movement overwhelmingly opposed the project. In most cases, African Americans' families had lived in the United States for generations, and their prevailing sentiment was that they were no more African than white Americans were European. Contrary to stated claims that emigration was voluntary, many African Americans, both free and enslaved, were pressured into emigrating. Indeed, enslavers sometimes manumitted their slaves on condition that the freedmen leave the country immediately.[2][3]
According to historian Marc Leepson, "Colonization proved to be a giant failure, doing nothing to stem the forces that brought the nation to Civil War."[4] Between 1821 and 1847, only a few thousand African Americans, out of millions in the US, emigrated to what would become Liberia. Close to half of them died from tropical diseases. In addition, the transportation of the emigrants to the African continent, including the provisioning of requisite tools and supplies, proved very expensive.[
So, they say “get over slavery, it wasn’t you, and it wasn’t us that enslaved your ancestors, it was those white people in the past!”.
Ok, so you shouldn’t mind discussing it. You are not your ancestors and you are better. So you should not feel bothered by talking about uncomfortable truths.
We don't mind discussing it but what the liberal left does is to demonize whites alive today for something we didn't do. You don't know the difference?
Sure, but without engineering/technicians industrialization is not possible. Even with accumulated wealth.
So we are back to the square one.
Wow, those other things meaning an advanced knowledge of mathematics and engineering. How does a society allow for enough leisure time to study things such as mathematics without some accumulation of wealth? Do you really think a subsistence community has the ability to engage in 'trivial' things like advance mathematics when they have to worry about surviving?
So we are back to square one it seems.
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