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Old 01-25-2022, 08:43 AM
 
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Get over it. Every ethnic group has endured and inflicted atrocities. Most of the world was a very different place prior to the 20th century. Even today some areas of the world continue barbaric practices. Are any of those areas controlled by whitey? It sure seems like most of the western world is quite civilized.

The U.S. is more inclusive of more diverse groups than anywhere in the history of the planet, so cut the victim bs, buck up and get on with living a responsible life that does not include criminal activity or making excuses for criminal activity.

In other words, live and let live is a two way street.
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Old 01-25-2022, 08:44 AM
 
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That can't be proven by people's actions today ... 40 million enslaved globally along with the slave laborers that exist in the u.s., as well and no one is marching on Washington to put a stop to it.

This false outrage on past cultures is telling.

When people go to buy products in their grocery and goods stores, they don't even stop to think about the conditions that made those items possible. They're just happy their lives have been made easier by those materials and could care less about the lives of those that made the products. So, no people are not repulsed by slavery today --- they glory in it.
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True.

Big companies like Apple and Nike can literally use severely mistreated labor or even forced labor for decades and then run some SJW mumbo jumbo commercial in the US and the woke people who worry about slave reparations will line up to buy their products while thinking those companies stand for social justice.

Those companies literally just spent millions lobbying congress NOT to prohibit slave labor products from being sold in the US and some loser wearing Nikes will use his Apple iPhone to post about how slavery was wrong 170 years ago and money needs to be given out to its "victims" that weren't alive at the time it happened, but not giving a crap about the Uyghurs.
Not just those folks but the silent unseen bonded slave labors in the u.s. working in the fields to put fruit and vegetables on Americans tables. Where is the march on Washington to bring their captors to justice? Are we so corrupt today we turn a blind eye to it within our own communities?

Oh, that's right --- those folks are migrants and migrants are human beings so they don't count. Just like the Africans didn't count 170 years ago within those communities, as well. But oh, the outrage on them.
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Old 01-25-2022, 10:03 AM
 
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That type of ill treatment was done to all races, by all races, all across the globe. The practice of slavery and indentured servitude did not end in Western nations until around a hundred years ago. The thought of slavery or indentured servitude are illegal and obviously viewed as repulsive by today's society
You know what gets me? Those blacks that harp about the slavery of the past but they won't take a stand against the slavery of today aka illegal alien labor. Why is that?
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Old 01-25-2022, 10:23 AM
 
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The struggle of Black people was indeed to be treated as equal. It was first to be seen as human, and then as equals.

I will add more to this. Another part of the struggle was the fact that Black people were brought to America by force. They didn't seek to come. They were brought here to be slaves. It was just in the fields that Black people were enslaved. Slaves also built railroads in the South. Slave-buillt railroads gave rise to the establishment of Atlanta, GA. Some of America's forts were built by slaves. From picking cotton to bricklaying, slaves did more than many people want to give Black people credit for.

It was looked at from this perspective. Black people who picked cotton, sugar cane, etc by force, who fought in wars on the American side, who contributed in the building of America. And yet, were being treated like 2nd or 3rd class citizens. Seeing this, Black people were going to fight for equality. It was " we've contributed and we're as American as anyone else. Why aren't we being treated like Americans?".
Equality. The biggest lie ever told! Search as one might, the four corners of the earth, and for all of time, one will never find this mythical creature called “equality”, because it does not exist. Equality is false construct that resides in the minds of those who will always see the advantages enjoyed by others, that they believe are denied to them. But they will never acknowledge the advantages they enjoy, because that would require them to own guilt they believe belongs to others.

The original post isn’t as much based on racism as some might automatically perceive it, but is based on broad and growing animosity that has been created to keep all people enslaved by invisible masters who sow the seeds of division, which is the most effective tool for the tyrants controlling them, while keeping them blind to their own slave status. Physical slavery, however terrible, is escapable with help, compared to mental slavery, which cannot be, until the afflicted chooses to be free.

Whites versus blacks, women versus men, gays against straights, religions versus religions, the poor versus the rich, the list is endless, and now, you can set aside all of those, because we now have a new and more powerful one. The “vaccinated” versus the “unvaccinated”!

Can you imagine the outrage in this day and age if society said … “you can not dine in this restaurant because you are black”. “You cannot travel on this airplane if you are gay”. “You don’t deserve medical care if you are Jewish”?

But to so many in the country now, it’s apparently OK to deny all of those things, and more, to anyone who declares the freedom to choose what is injected into their own bodies. And if one does not own their own bodies, someone else does, and that is the definition of a slave.

It all started when your master demanded you put on that mask, and you said yessir. Welcome to The United Slaves of America, land of the deceived, and home of the enslaved.

What must a slave do? Obey. What becomes of the slave who refuses? Punishment.
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Old 01-25-2022, 10:43 AM
 
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Not just those folks but the silent unseen bonded slave labors in the u.s. working in the fields to put fruit and vegetables on Americans tables. Where is the march on Washington to bring their captors to justice? Are we so corrupt today we turn a blind eye to it within our own communities?

Oh, that's right --- those folks are migrants and migrants are human beings so they don't count. Just like the Africans didn't count 170 years ago within those communities, as well. But oh, the outrage on them.
That’s a terrible comparison…. As long as one has the right to choose, such as the migrant worker who chooses to come here and work, that’s not slavery, it’s just a choice.

The African slave bound and brought here against his will, did not choose. There was no choice, other than death.

From your definition, we are all slaves really. The person who works 10 hours a day at a job they hate, just to pay bills, is a debt slave. Those who have been convinced that the world is unfair, and that the deck stacked against them before they even start out, is a mental slave, which is the most insidious form of slavery.
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Old 01-25-2022, 10:47 AM
 
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That type of ill treatment was done to all races, by all races, all across the globe. The practice of slavery and indentured servitude did not end in Western nations until around a hundred years ago. The thought of slavery or indentured servitude are illegal and obviously viewed as repulsive by today's society
Except were talking about AMERICA.
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Old 01-25-2022, 10:47 AM
 
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That’s a terrible comparison…. As long as one has the right to choose, such as the migrant worker who chooses to come here and work, that’s not slavery, it’s just a choice.

The African slave bound and brought here against his will, did not choose. There was no choice, other than death.

From your definition, we are all slaves really. The person who works 10 hours a day at a job they hate, just to pay bills, is a debt slave. Those who have been convinced that the world is unfair, and that the deck stacked against them before they even start out, is a mental slave, which is the most insidious form of slavery.
Regardless that these so-called migrant aka illegal aliens choose to come here to work they are still being paid slave labor wages so it's still slavery.
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Old 01-25-2022, 01:32 PM
 
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Equality. The biggest lie ever told! Search as one might, the four corners of the earth, and for all of time, one will never find this mythical creature called “equality”, because it does not exist. Equality is false construct that resides in the minds of those who will always see the advantages enjoyed by others, that they believe are denied to them. But they will never acknowledge the advantages they enjoy, because that would require them to own guilt they believe belongs to others.

The original post isn’t as much based on racism as some might automatically perceive it, but is based on broad and growing animosity that has been created to keep all people enslaved by invisible masters who sow the seeds of division, which is the most effective tool for the tyrants controlling them, while keeping them blind to their own slave status. Physical slavery, however terrible, is escapable with help, compared to mental slavery, which cannot be, until the afflicted chooses to be free.

Whites versus blacks, women versus men, gays against straights, religions versus religions, the poor versus the rich, the list is endless, and now, you can set aside all of those, because we now have a new and more powerful one. The “vaccinated” versus the “unvaccinated”!

Can you imagine the outrage in this day and age if society said … “you can not dine in this restaurant because you are black”. “You cannot travel on this airplane if you are gay”. “You don’t deserve medical care if you are Jewish”?

But to so many in the country now, it’s apparently OK to deny all of those things, and more, to anyone who declares the freedom to choose what is injected into their own bodies. And if one does not own their own bodies, someone else does, and that is the definition of a slave.

It all started when your master demanded you put on that mask, and you said yessir. Welcome to The United Slaves of America, land of the deceived, and home of the enslaved.

What must a slave do? Obey. What becomes of the slave who refuses? Punishment.
This was very long and it took time to think about an argument.

Equality is not a false construct. Equality is everyone being equal under the law. The same access as anyone else. The same rights. It exists. Some people just don't want to put it into practice.

I also suspect you either didn't comprehend what I was talking about, or had an agenda that has nothing to do with what I said. I was talking about what Black people had to go through and what their fight has historically been about.

You cannot compare what society is dealing with today to what Black people went through during the Antebellum years. Being physically bought, sold, and owned as property when you know you are a human being, that is not the same what you are calling slavery. Black slaves were basically chattel, not even considered human. There were no choices involved. People who have a choice can change their thinking. People who have no choices are stuck.

And this is what I see from the OP. All I see is a bigoted mindset. The animosity and division has been there forever. It was around during slavery and continues after.
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Old 01-25-2022, 02:08 PM
 
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Regardless that these so-called migrant aka illegal aliens choose to come here to work they are still being paid slave labor wages so it's still slavery.
Slaves, by definition, are not paid wages, so there is no such thing as “slave wages”. And no one is forcing anyone to work for the compensation offered. It’s called “free enterprise”. Obviously, the compensation must be worth it to the workers, otherwise they wouldn’t come here and do the work ... they’d go somewhere else that paid more. The very definition of a “fair wage” is an amount someone is willing to pay, and willing to accept as payment, for the services offered.

I really don’t understand how people not involved in an agreement, believe they know better about the value of an agreement than the individuals involved?

Can you explain why your opinion on the matter is more valid than theirs?
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Old 01-25-2022, 02:41 PM
 
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Slaves, by definition, are not paid wages, so there is no such thing as “slave wages”. And no one is forcing anyone to work for the compensation offered. It’s called “free enterprise”. Obviously, the compensation must be worth it to the workers, otherwise they wouldn’t come here and do the work ... they’d go somewhere else that paid more. The very definition of a “fair wage” is an amount someone is willing to pay, and willing to accept as payment, for the services offered.

I really don’t understand how people not involved in an agreement, believe they know better about the value of an agreement than the individuals involved?

Can you explain why your opinion on the matter is more valid than theirs?
As I sad, there is no free enterprise that overrides our immigration and labor laws. My opinion is based on our laws. What are yours based on? Our laws aren't based on opinions.
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