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Old 01-10-2022, 03:49 PM
 
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An interesting half-hour video, it seems that gas prices were not even the cause after all:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GMtOme-J3D4

OK Neuling, now that I watched the video, let me make few points ( based on what I've seen/heard on Russian/Ukrainian news and in the multiple footage so far.)


1. The protest ( that started in the Western part of K-stan) was legitimate indeed, and interestingly enough even Putin officially confirms it (getting points for himself in the process.)
So initially the protest started with demands to bring back down the price for the liquefied gas that the locals ( Kazakhs) fuel their cars with. Recently the price of it has doubled, and since people are not wealthy there, it hit their pockets significantly ( there was a lot of grumbling as well, why in such resource-rich country the level of prosperity is so low.)
But that's one aspect of it. Usually people ( protesters) of this kind are supported by all kinds of the NGOs, and there are plenty of them in Kazakhstan, Soros Fund including.

And that's where such dubious figure as Mukhtar Ablyazov fits in - he wanted to attach himself to this protest straight from France ( or Great Britain, or wherever he is.) The bottom line is "people live bad because of the current corrupt government," that needs to be replaced with something totally pro-Western/pro-American. Pretty much the same theme that initially triggered Maidan in Kiev.
2. Except for Maidan in Kiev didn't produce marauders and looters ( they were stopped in their tracks,) while in Kazakhstan this was the second layer of "protesters."


3.And if in case of Ukrainian "revolution" its ultimate "foot soldiers" became the militarized platoons of the nationalists (well-prepared and organized,) then in case of Kazakh attempt of revolution, these "foot soldiers" ( well-organized and armed) seems to be the Islamists.

They keep on talking on the news about the "foreigners" that arrived to K-stan for this event - namely people from the neighboring Kirgizstan and Tadjikistan, but they are saying that Arabic speech was heard as well.

With other words - what would unite all these people would be the radical Islam, and Putin is saying that these were the people that underwent the training on the military bases/during military actions.
Whether it's true or not one can argue about, yet the fact remains that Russian troops that were sent to K-stan were the same paratroopers operating earlier in Syria, and even under the same general ( according to the German media.)

So.

Who was sponsoring THIS segment of the protest, (that ended up with beheading of 2 or 3 law enforcement officers)
?
That's what I'd like to know.

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Old 01-10-2022, 04:05 PM
 
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Kazakhstan has large oil and gas resources, rivaling that of the Middle East. America might want to look more into Kazakhstan.
Nowhere close to rivaling TME. Kazak oil reserves are ~60% that of the Permian Basin. Significant but not close to TME.

The Permian produces much more daily (2 maybe 2.5x more) than the Kazaks as well.
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Old 01-10-2022, 04:05 PM
 
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It's the same in Nigeria. The country is full of fossil resources, yet the money never reached the people. The profits are exported along with the oil, and locals don't have affordable gas for their cars.

When exactly did fuel become so expensive in Kazakhstan? The US travel warning 3-4 weeks ago did not mention price increases, but protests in order to topple the government.
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Old 01-10-2022, 04:12 PM
 
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Hoo boy:


Kazakhstan officials deny that U.S.-funded bioweapons lab was seized by rebels

https://www.rebelnews.com/kazakhstan...ized_by_rebels
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Old 01-10-2022, 04:20 PM
 
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One might wonder why the heck there is such a lab in Kazakhstan in the first place.
And then people complain about pandemics...
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Old 01-10-2022, 04:32 PM
 
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It's the same in Nigeria. The country is full of fossil resources, yet the money never reached the people. The profits are exported along with the oil, and locals don't have affordable gas for their cars.

When exactly did fuel become so expensive in Kazakhstan? The US travel warning 3-4 weeks ago did not mention price increases, but protests in order to topple the government.

From what I see - 1st of January.

It went up to 120 tenge ($0.27,) per liter from 60 t. I believe, so the crowd demanded to bring it down to 50-60 t. ($0.11-0.13)


And it looks like it initially happened in one particular region - that very region where the biggest oil fields are.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mangystau_Region
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Old 01-10-2022, 04:42 PM
 
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Interesting, January 1 was weeks after the announcement of regime-change protests on a US government site.
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Old 01-10-2022, 05:00 PM
 
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Interesting, January 1 was weeks after the announcement of regime-change protests on a US government site.

Yes, I would guess there is the direct connection there.

But that's the "liberal opposition" part - the same segment that's ever present in Moscow ( during Navalny protest and Kiev's Maidan alike.)
My question is where did the prepared ( and armed) Islamists come from?
How do they fit into all of this?

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Old 01-10-2022, 06:05 PM
 
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Supposedly one talking point the media is ignoring is the govt planned or may be planning to seize bank accounts of the unvaxxed. That will be interesting if true.
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Old 01-13-2022, 11:36 AM
 
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More details on the foreign component:
https://www.fridayeveryday.com/kazak...ong-kong-link/
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