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Cobb County - 16 drop boxes in 2020
DeKalb County - 35 drop boxes in 2020
Fulton County - 36 drop boxes in 2020
Gwinnett County - 24 drop boxes in 2020
Total - 111 drop boxes.
Where did the 300+ number come from?
Nah, plenty of facts. Unlike these random media sites you keep providing links for.
Nothing to do with common sense or that D'Souza got nailed for contributing more than 5000.
No, it was felony election fraud for hiring straw donors to circumvent election laws. You are making excuses for actual election fraud by a Republican, while at the same time claiming Democrats committed election fraud based on a video created by this actual election fraud perpetrator. You can't make this stuff up!
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Everything to do with the facts that in all those states mules were hired.
Facts? You haven't seen any facts. You've been given no names of either the mules nor the people who allegedly hire them.
True the Vote presented these allegations to state and federal investigators over six months ago. D. Victor Reynolds, the Georgia Bureau of Investigation director rejected the allegations due to lack of evidence and wouldn't even investigate. I have already provided a link to the response from the director of the GBI. Here is an excerpt:
"What has not been provided is any other kind of evidence that ties these cell phones to ballot
harvesting; for example, there are no statements of witnesses and no names of any potential
defendants to interview. Saliently, it has been stated that there is “a source” that can validate
ballot harvesting. Despite repeated requests that source has not been provided to either the GBI
or to the FBI.
As it exists, the data, while curious, does not rise to the level of probable cause that a crime has
been committed. For the GBI to get the same CSLI information you provided, we would need to
obtain a search warrant based on such probable cause. We cannot make that showing with what
has been provided.
As such, based on what has been provided and what has not been provided, an investigation is
not justified"
And what he said is still true today. They released the movie with the same lack of evidence. Why?
True the Vote was the source of many of the 60-odd court cases that Trump filed, all of which were rejected. This is just more of the same. How do you even know the veracity of the alleged security footage that you're being shown? How do you know they're not actors?
But here's the 800lb gorilla in the room, and you tell me if it was addressed in the video. Exactly what was it that you are alleging was being stuffed into the ballot boxes? It's not like you just print up a phony ballot because they have to be from registered voters. Votes are checked for duplicates and rejected, but we've heard nothing of widespread rejection of votes. How did the ballots pass signature verification? Was any of that explained in the movie?
Did you know for example that in Georgia it's perfectly legal for not only family members, but also CAREGIVERS to submit ballots for people? Even JAIL employees may submit ballots for prisoners.
Here's the specific law:
Ga. Code Ann., § 21-2-385
A family member (including grandparent, grandchild, uncle, aunt, niece, nephew, and in-laws), household member or caregiver. A jail or other detention facility employee may return a ballot on behalf of a voter in custody.
According to that, a nursing home employee can legally return ballots for every elderly resident there. Or a prison guard to return ballots for all the prisoners. Family members is extremely broad by that definition and could easily include a dozen or more voters for a good size family. So even if the footage is legit, you have no way of knowing if a crime is being committed.
So let's summarize.
You're claiming fraud by unknown perpetrators, hired by unknown bad guys, getting paid an unknown amount and allegedly stuffing things in ballot boxes that you know absolutely nothing about and that may actually have been legitimate. And you're doing so all based on sketchy information provided to you by an actual known election fraud-ster.
Of course he is. He admitted to a felony and was sentenced for it. He's a felon.
How is this even a serious question?
LMFAO! So when a powerful force pressures you to admit you're guilty (which is what Obama's team did), that means you're automatically a felon and you're guilty?
Do you not know what intimidation is? Are you not aware that there are political forces out there who have the ability to throw you in jail if they really want to. Again, there's a reason Trump pardoned him. Good God, talk about being dense.
Also the "Sauce for the goose" analogy is just a variation on Hitchens' Razor. If one side of an argument can assert something out of hand, it's fair play for the other side to do the same. But then I went and provided actual data. Dang it!
Except you're not providing any data at all. You just keep throwing random links to garbage, unreliable left-wing media outlets, that have already been called out for reporting this incorrectly. And they're doing it because they know this movie is going to get people talking. They're panicking. So now it's time to "debunk!! debunk!! debunk!!"
Try as you might, but you and your party aren't winning this one.
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A felon who committed campaign fraud has a movie accusing someone else of Election Fraud. Ahhh...
Let's be clear before the turd flinging becomes tainted. There is a huge difference in finance fraud (d'souza's complaint) and mass voter fraud. Just for the record.
Thousands of fake votes possibly tilting a presidential election . . . do you support that? You seem to!
We already know you don't support collecting and channeling $10K in senatorial campaign donations.
Except you're not providing any data at all. You just keep throwing random links to garbage, unreliable left-wing media outlets, that have already been called out for reporting this incorrectly. And they're doing it because they know this movie is going to get people talking. They're panicking. So now it's time to "debunk!! debunk!! debunk!!"
Try as you might, but you and your party aren't winning this one.
If you are asserting the information on drop boxes published in the AJC is incorrect, I'm sure you have the "correct" information, right? Let's see it.
LMFAO! So when a powerful force pressures you to admit you're guilty (which is what Obama's team did), that means you're automatically a felon and you're guilty?
Do you not know what intimidation is? Are you not aware that there are political forces out there who have the ability to throw you in jail if they really want to. Again, there's a reason Trump pardoned him. Good God, talk about being dense.
Yes, when you plead guilty to a felony, that makes you a felon. Glad I could clear that up for you.
I'm not the dense one in this scenario.
How was D'Souza "pressured" and "intimidated" by the DOJ? Please be specific.
Here is the relevant part from the above link, QUOTE, my italics:
In 2012, the [Federal Election Campaign Act] limited campaign contributions to $5,000 from any individual to any one candidate. In March 2012, D’SOUZA contributed $10,000 to the Senate campaign of Wendy Long on behalf of himself and his wife, agreeing in writing to attribute that contribution as $5,000 from his wife and $5,000 from him. In August 2012, D’SOUZA directed other individuals with whom he was associated, namely his assistant and a woman with whom D’SOUZA was romantically involved (the “Straw Donors”), to make contributions to Wendy Long’s campaign for the United States Senate (the “Long Campaign”) on behalf of themselves and their spouses that totaled $20,000 with the promise that he would reimburse them for the contributions. Later that same day or the next day, D’SOUZA, as promised, reimbursed the Straw Donors $10,000 each in cash for the contributions. When confronted by Ms. Long, D’SOUZA initially misled the candidate before admitting what he had done.
During the plea proceeding, D’SOUZA admitted before the Court that he caused two close associates to contribute $10,000 each to the Long Campaign with the understanding that he would reimburse them for their contributions and that he did reimburse them. D’SOUZA also admitted that he knew that what he was doing was wrong and something the law forbids. [end quote]
To what level? You still haven't answered that question. How accurate, in feet, please.
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- Stephen Fowler was called out for fudging the number of drop boxes already
By whom and where is the data?
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- Fowler says the movie produces no surveillance footage of mules dropping off and even stuffing the ballots, and yet the movie literally shows multiple people doing it, including a guy who was panicking so much that he dropped the ballots all over the ground, and hastily picked them up, shoved them into the box, and ran back into his car and left
No, he says that there is no video of the same person dropping off ballots at multiple drop boxes, even though that is one of the claims made. I didn't see any video of that in the movie, either. If I missed it, please provide the time stamp.
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- The movie showed the mules who's cell data showed they lived in one state, yet cross state lines multiple times to drop off ballots
No, it doesn't. It shows people crossing state lines, yes. The "dropping off ballots" part is an unsupported assertion.
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Originally Posted by DK736
- Dinesh financed this movie from his own media company.....why wouldn't he charge a fee to rent it, or to see it selective theaters - talk about nitpicking
I have no idea what you're talking about here. If suckers want to give D'Souza their money, more power to 'em.
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Originally Posted by DK736
LOL sorry man, but your guy is a clown. He's not even a popular figure on Twitter. His "fact checking" Tweet got retweeted only 34 times. And everything his questioning was answered in the movie. The word loser doesn't even begin to describe this Stephen Fowler guy.
Truth and accuracy are not a popularity contest, so I couldn't care less if he's "a popular figure on Twitter" or not.
Here is the relevant part from the above link, QUOTE, my italics:
In 2012, the [Federal Election Campaign Act] limited campaign contributions to $5,000 from any individual to any one candidate. In March 2012, D’SOUZA contributed $10,000 to the Senate campaign of Wendy Long on behalf of himself and his wife, agreeing in writing to attribute that contribution as $5,000 from his wife and $5,000 from him. In August 2012, D’SOUZA directed other individuals with whom he was associated, namely his assistant and a woman with whom D’SOUZA was romantically involved (the “Straw Donors”), to make contributions to Wendy Long’s campaign for the United States Senate (the “Long Campaign”) on behalf of themselves and their spouses that totaled $20,000 with the promise that he would reimburse them for the contributions. Later that same day or the next day, D’SOUZA, as promised, reimbursed the Straw Donors $10,000 each in cash for the contributions. When confronted by Ms. Long, D’SOUZA initially misled the candidate before admitting what he had done.
During the plea proceeding, D’SOUZA admitted before the Court that he caused two close associates to contribute $10,000 each to the Long Campaign with the understanding that he would reimburse them for their contributions and that he did reimburse them. D’SOUZA also admitted that he knew that what he was doing was wrong and something the law forbids. [end quote]
Yes, I'm aware of what the felonious activity was. I'm not sure of your point, though?
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