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Old 02-22-2022, 03:20 PM
 
Location: North Pacific
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imo, you're giving those who wrote the u.s. Constitution too much credit. They hadn't a clue as to what they were doing.
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Perhaps they didn't know what they were doing, heck many of them were slave owners at the time, but the fact remains no one is going to question it or change it.
True --- it was even stated in the day they were of 'divine providence'. Trust, I'm still waiting for the enlightenment era.
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Old 02-22-2022, 03:23 PM
 
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imo, you're giving those who wrote the u.s. Constitution too much credit. They hadn't a clue as to what they were doing.
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The usual smearing and disparagement... without, as usual, a shred of evidence. Or truth.

(yawn)
They were human, what more evidence do you need for the truth?
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Obviously they did. Do you believe they didn’t have tyranny back then?
Obviously the Southern States and half of Maryland believed it.
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Old 02-22-2022, 05:14 PM
 
Location: Midwest City, Oklahoma
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183 - 120 reconcile that, when each voted their interest rather than the interest of the country.
The question you keep dodging is why the south couldn't just form a new coalition. The Republican Party of 2022 is nothing like the Republican Party of 1932, which was nothing like the Republican Party of 1862. What is a political party really?
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Old 02-23-2022, 05:02 AM
 
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They were human, what more evidence do you need for the truth?

Obviously the Southern States and half of Maryland believed it.
Who was human?

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Originally Posted by ARTICLE IV of the Constitution of the Confederate States

Section I. (I) Full faith and credit shall be given in each State to the public acts, records, and judicial proceedings of every other State; and the Congress may, by general laws, prescribe the manner in which such acts, records, and proceedings shall be proved, and the effect thereof.

Sec. 2. (I) The citizens of each State shall be entitled to all the privileges and immunities of citizens in the several States; and shall have the right of transit and sojourn in any State of this Confederacy, with their slaves and other property; and the right of property in said slaves shall not be thereby impaired.
https://avalon.law.yale.edu/19th_century/csa_csa.asp
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Old 02-23-2022, 05:33 AM
 
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They were human, what more evidence do you need for the truth?

Obviously the Southern States and half of Maryland believed it.
"Obviously the Southern States and half of Maryland believed it"

Choosing to leave anything you freely joined is NOT tyranny!
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Old 02-24-2022, 03:17 PM
 
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They were human, what more evidence do you need for the truth?

Obviously the Southern States and half of Maryland believed it.
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"Obviously the Southern States and half of Maryland believed it"

Choosing to leave anything you freely joined is NOT tyranny!
It is when you can't get a divorce.
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Old 02-24-2022, 03:19 PM
 
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I've not only already said it, but showed it, as well.
1. a Corrupt Government
2. 183 - 120 reconcile that, when each voted their interest rather than the interest of the country.
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The question you keep dodging is why the south couldn't just form a new coalition. The Republican Party of 2022 is nothing like the Republican Party of 1932, which was nothing like the Republican Party of 1862. What is a political party really?
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The question you keep dodging is why the south couldn't just form a new coalition.
With whom?
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Old 02-24-2022, 03:34 PM
 
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They were human, what more evidence do you need for the truth?

Obviously the Southern States and half of Maryland believed it.
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Who was human?

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Originally Posted by ARTICLE IV of the Constitution of the Confederate States

Section I. (I) Full faith and credit shall be given in each State to the public acts, records, and judicial proceedings of every other State; and the Congress may, by general laws, prescribe the manner in which such acts, records, and proceedings shall be proved, and the effect thereof.

Sec. 2. (I) The citizens of each State shall be entitled to all the privileges and immunities of citizens in the several States; and shall have the right of transit and sojourn in any State of this Confederacy, with their slaves and other property; and the right of property in said slaves shall not be thereby impaired.
https://avalon.law.yale.edu/19th_century/csa_csa.asp
My response was in response to the intelligence of those that drafted the u.s. Constitution; they were human not of divine providence as some may think today and in that era.

You do realize though in that era there was no mobility to move between States for the Slave who had been made by State legislate a citizen of the State. The u.s. Constitution had done nothing for them as it did not make them citizens of the u.s.. Nor as a slave to their master could all of the family move from one State to the next, without being made to leave the slave behind and some had grown found of (spent years of holidays with) the individual(s). Also, in some Northern States prohibited the black person to reside within their white communities. If a family moved into one of those communities they had to free the slave, then the slave was physically thrown out.

The Confederate States to resolve that issue, put within their Constitution, everyone could move freely within ...

But they didn't win the war, thus the reason the title of this thread is .... ? "The Constitution is not evolving", meaning the u.s. one, not the Confederate one.
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Old 03-02-2022, 05:05 AM
 
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My response was in response to the intelligence of those that drafted the u.s. Constitution; they were human not of divine providence as some may think today and in that era.

You do realize though in that era there was no mobility to move between States for the Slave who had been made by State legislate a citizen of the State. The u.s. Constitution had done nothing for them as it did not make them citizens of the u.s.. Nor as a slave to their master could all of the family move from one State to the next, without being made to leave the slave behind and some had grown found of (spent years of holidays with) the individual(s). Also, in some Northern States prohibited the black person to reside within their white communities. If a family moved into one of those communities they had to free the slave, then the slave was physically thrown out.

The Confederate States to resolve that issue, put within their Constitution, everyone could move freely within ...

But they didn't win the war, thus the reason the title of this thread is .... ? "The Constitution is not evolving", meaning the u.s. one, not the Confederate one.
The Confederate States sought to “resolve that issue, put within their Constitution” by retaining their airquote ‘right to determine who was human & who was property’?

It was a nonsensical legal fiction then & now.

The Constitution of the United States continued to evolve with the ratification of the first Amendments shortly after, & continues to evolve in the present day.
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Old 03-02-2022, 05:31 AM
 
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The Confederate States sought to “resolve that issue, put within their Constitution” by retaining their airquote ‘right to determine who was human & who was property’?

It was a nonsensical legal fiction then & now.

The Constitution of the United States continued to evolve with the ratification of the first Amendments shortly after, & continues to evolve in the present day.
The US Constitution evolves via ratified Amendmends. It's unconstitutional for the Fed Gov to legislatively rewrite it on its own or for SCOTUS to rewrite it from the Bench.
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