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View Poll Results: Do you support increasing school choice?
Yes: And it would help minorities. 80 57.55%
Yes: But I doubt it would help minorities much. 33 23.74%
No: Even though I think it would help minorities. 2 1.44%
No: And it wouldn't help minorities anyways. 24 17.27%
Voters: 139. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 02-17-2022, 04:29 PM
 
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Teachers do their damnedest. In many cases it is one of four problems that cause issues with schools. Students who have behavior issues, local governments not properly funding public education, teaching to a test due to NCLB it Irvine administration whether district wide or just that particular school. Most teachers are not doing it for the pay at all. In fact teachers and especially support staff are drastically underpaid and overworked.
All in, outside emotional appeal, there's not much of an argument that teachers are underpaid. Proportionally, versus other professions many teachers live in lower COL areas, teachers tend to receive exceptionally good non-wage compensation etc. etc.
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Old 02-17-2022, 04:31 PM
 
Location: Buckeye, AZ
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Yes, ignore all of the massive amount of polling that blacks overwhelingly support school choice, because it is inconvenient!





Of course it would apply to all races. Blacks are just more likely to be trapped in crappy schools due to Democrats' anti-choice position forced by their connection to the union.
Which is mostly socio-economic based. Black parents typically don't have the income to send their children to private schools and charters can be picky on what students enter and which stay as well. They are often forced into public school because private schools and charters won't typically take them. Why are you forgetting those details?
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Old 02-17-2022, 04:32 PM
 
Location: Buckeye, AZ
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All in, outside emotional appeal, there's not much of an argument that teachers are underpaid. Proportionally, versus other professions many teachers live in lower COL areas, teachers tend to receive exceptionally good non-wage compensation etc. etc.
To a point, yes. The problem is being they are low waged, they do not have insulation against inflation. You cannot exactly ask for a raise or walk ass teachers like any other job.
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Old 02-17-2022, 04:33 PM
 
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I support school choice but not for the reason that it would "help minorities", but because it would improve the quality of education across the board when schools, administrators and teachers are held to answer for outcomes. Meaning, along with school choice, the money must follow the child. And if a failing school is no longer able to pay its bills, it should be allowed to go out of business or get bought out.

And yes, higher quality education across the board helps minorities at an absolute level but not in the "equity" way that the left wants to "help" them.
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Old 02-17-2022, 04:33 PM
 
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If the result of black people using school choice means that black children go to a different better funded public =school on the other side of town, then the problem isnt public schools. Its bad funding for those black schools.

Your post is proving you dont care about this subject, but rather attacking dems.
You didn't read my post as you are repeating falsehoods.

Black majority schools get more funding than white majority schools. Funding isn't the problem.

You dismiss a massive amount of polls simply because it is inconvenient for your position. You are on the wrong side of history. History will bend towards freedom.
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Old 02-17-2022, 04:33 PM
 
Location: Pine Grove,AL
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Democrats are against vouchers and charters because they know that it is not additional to the budget a state has going towards education but rather diverting it away from public education. And what do we do for those that cannot get into a charter or private school like those in rural communities or those in areas with higher demand than charter and private supply? Nobody ever answers that part of the problem...
This.
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Old 02-17-2022, 04:33 PM
 
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Democrats are against vouchers and charters because they know that it is not additional to the budget a state has going towards education but rather diverting it away from public education. And what do we do for those that cannot get into a charter or private school like those in rural communities or those in areas with higher demand than charter and private supply? Nobody ever answers that part of the problem...
Sure let's keep the sinking ship we have because alternatives will not be perfectly fair.
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Old 02-17-2022, 04:33 PM
 
Location: NYC
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Democrats are against vouchers and charters because they know that it is not additional to the budget a state has going towards education but rather diverting it away from public education. And what do we do for those that cannot get into a charter or private school like those in rural communities or those in areas with higher demand than charter and private supply? Nobody ever answers that part of the problem...
But why refuse to start at all? This thread is about inner city black schools. Which would benefit from this.

Are rural schools failing to the same degree?

There is little supply out there now maybe, but once the option to even have a voucher is available perhaps more charters will pop up since they'll have a way to satisfy that demand to begin with.
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Old 02-17-2022, 04:36 PM
 
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Which is mostly socio-economic based. Black parents typically don't have the income to send their children to private schools and charters can be picky on what students enter and which stay as well. They are often forced into public school because private schools and charters won't typically take them. Why are you forgetting those details?
Public charters, at least in Michigan are free to the student and it is illegal for them to be picky with students. They must choose students by lottery and that event must be public.

Democrats oppose more public charters.
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Old 02-17-2022, 04:37 PM
 
Location: Pine Grove,AL
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You didn't read my post as you are repeating falsehoods.

Black majority schools get more funding than white majority schools. Funding isn't the problem.
I already called out this fallacy, You are comparing average funding and not money spent on the individual students.

a school in a wealthy suburb may have a disproportionate number of car riders, resulting in less transportation costs for that school. May have a higher portion of students bring their own lunches. High proportion of students in out side of school extra curricular activities and so on, all saving the school money on the books.


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You dismiss a massive amount of polls simply because it is inconvenient for your position. You are on the wrong side of history. History will bend towards freedom.

Wrong on multiple levels. I support vouchers. give black people the same ones you give white people.
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