Kyiv or Kiev? Why two names for the same city? (regular, solution)

[Oklazona Bound]

Originally Posted by Annandale_Man

Watching a cheetah taking down a zebra does not mean one is cheering for the cheetah. Recognizing that Putin is a man of action does not put you in his camp.

It puts you right outside his camp, knocking on the door. I guess GW Bush was a man of action? Started wars with two countries. He is tied with Putin on that.

[Roboteer]

Originally Posted by Oklazona Bound

I have noticed that the capital city in the Ukraine has been referred to Kyiv and pronounced Keeve lately on the news. Apparently its the way Ukraine calls it. And Kiev was how Russia called the city.

There is no direct transliteration of the Russian spelling of the city's name. So different news outlets, historians, and editors spel it whatever way they want.

[westernwilly]

Why is Kansas pronounced with the S at the end and Arkansas does not have the S pronounced at the end? Because that is the way the states want it and Americans respects this. If Ukraine wants to pronounce their own capital city in a different way than what you have learned, then respect it or at least live with it!

[charolastra00]

Originally Posted by ChrisC

Yeah, I've notice the morons on the news suddenly pronouncing it differently than it has been pronounced my entire life. It drives me insane. Looks like the liberals are trying to change other languages in addition to English.

It's been pronounced Kyiv for my entire life.


And my mother's entire life.


And my grandmother's entire life.


And my great grandparents' entire life all the way back to when they were born a few hours outside the city.

[eddie gein]

So what do we call a boneless chicken breast that is stuffed with seasoned butter and deep fried these days.

[ChrisC]

Originally Posted by Oklazona Bound

Fox News is calling it Kyiv. It was an idea started by the people of Ukraine. Nothing to do with liberals here. But its probably somehow Biden's fault.

No, it's not Biden's fault. It's the fault of the idiots that keep wanting to redefine language. It's a "latte" sort of thing. For some reason some people think it is high style to keep on redefining words and pronunciation. In some cases it is political, in some cases social, and in some cases just for the hell of it.

As for this particular word, the way it has been pronounced in ENGLISH (that is the language we speak here in 'merca) has been pretty much set since I remember understanding English (a long, long time). Now, in the past few weeks or months, it has suddenly become cool, for whatever reason, to pronounce it a different way. Why is that, do you think? Was it just because of the angle of the earth to the sun that day, or that some newscaster suddenly looked up from the video game on on the computer in his/her/its cubicle and said, "Hey, Wokeycia, let's pronounce it keeve"?

If you want to speak Ukrainian, learn it. Then you can pronounce all Ukrainian words the way they do in Ukraine. Otherwise bag it.

I don't see any English speaker going out of his or her way to pronounce every Spanish derived word the way Spaniards pronounce it. I don't see any English speaker going out of his or her way to Pronounce every French derived word the way it is pronounced in France. Same goes for German, the Nordic languages, Portuguese, etc. So what is the deal with the sudden choice to play Ukrainian on the newscasts? My guess is that it's simply more latte-sipping woke balderdash. There is no practical reason to change your English pronunciation because you think it is cool. Otherwise, I suppose we'd all be speaking with a French accent since it's such a cool and suave language.

Originally Posted by charolastra00

It's been pronounced Kyiv for my entire life.


And my mother's entire life.


And my grandmother's entire life.


And my great grandparents' entire life all the way back to when they were born a few hours outside the city.

And so have the residents of Nezahualcóyotl been pronouncing their city name properly in their own language. Do YOU pronounce it properly and in their language?

For God's sake, we don't even pronounce the word "burrito" properly in English (unless you are a Spanish speaker as well). Does anyone make a big thing about that?

Originally Posted by eddie gein

So what do we call a boneless chicken breast that is stuffed with seasoned butter and deep fried these days.

A... boneless chicken breast stuffed with seasoned butter and deep fried?

Of course, if you are a dingbat liberal, you'll now want to be cool and pronounce those words with a distinct Brazilian Portuguese accent, or maybe use a Navaho or Tagalog accent. Or French. French always sounds nice. Zee boonliss shiken brrust stoofed vis sesonhd bootejr in dep freed. (Sorry, I'd have to use IPA to get the sounds we don't make in English)

[Three Wolves In Snow]

Originally Posted by Oklazona Bound

I have noticed that the capital city in the Ukraine has been referred to Kyiv and pronounced Keeve lately on the news. Apparently its the way Ukraine calls it. And Kiev was how Russia called the city.

So which do you prefer? And what will it be called once Russia takes control?

Why Kyiv instead of Kiev?

It's like the German city that the U.S. calls "Cologne" when in German it's Koln...with the dots over the 'O'.

[censusdata]

George Dubya Bush would figure out how to say Kiev with three syllables.

[usayit]

Originally Posted by ChrisC

As for this particular word, the way it has been pronounced in ENGLISH (that is the language we speak here in 'merca) has been pretty much set since I remember understanding English (a long, long time).

I'm pretty sure Kyiv was founded centuries before "'merica".

Cities around the world get renamed all the time... Kyiv was akined to being renamed to Kiev when it was under Soviet control then renamed back to Kyiv when Ukraine was independent for official purposes when translated to Latin alphabet.

Americans didn't rename it or "restyle" it but it was actually mandated by the Ukrainian Ministry of Foreign affairs. News channels would probably want to respect that if they are to remain on good standing with Ukraine and allowed to report from within their boundaries.

New York City was New Amsterdam at some point in history.... Has nothing to do with being "stylish"

[reneeh63]

Originally Posted by Myghost

Shocker: The Trump base thinks we should just go ahead and concede to the Russian dialect. (Totally ignores this is Ukrainian, not Russian territory)

The Trump base is learning Russian so they can be even cozier with Putin.