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Old 06-21-2022, 12:22 PM
 
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Can anyone really define fascist, nazi, communist, socialist and the antithesis or what you perceive as the right way?
In popular US discourse? Not a chance.

But if we move into the world where words mean things and people try to communicate rather than propagandize, I rather like Umberto Eco's take. Apart from being a very smart fellow, he grew up under fascism and then moved on to make the study of semiotics his life's work.

He came up with a list - this is a synopsis, of course:

The cult of tradition. “One has only to look at the syllabus of every fascist movement to find the major traditionalist thinkers. The Nazi gnosis was nourished by traditionalist, syncretistic, occult elements.”

The rejection of modernism. “The Enlightenment, the Age of Reason, is seen as the beginning of modern depravity. In this sense Ur-Fascism can be defined as irrationalism.”

The cult of action for action’s sake. “Action being beautiful in itself, it must be taken before, or without, any previous reflection. Thinking is a form of emasculation.”

Disagreement is treason. “The critical spirit makes distinctions, and to distinguish is a sign of modernism. In modern culture the scientific community praises disagreement as a way to improve knowledge.”

Fear of difference. “The first appeal of a fascist or prematurely fascist movement is an appeal against the intruders. Thus Ur-Fascism is racist by definition.”

Appeal to social frustration. “One of the most typical features of the historical fascism was the appeal to a frustrated middle class, a class suffering from an economic crisis or feelings of political humiliation, and frightened by the pressure of lower social groups.”

The obsession with a plot. “Thus at the root of the Ur-Fascist psychology there is the obsession with a plot, possibly an international one. The followers must feel besieged.”

The enemy is both strong and weak. “By a continuous shifting of rhetorical focus, the enemies are at the same time too strong and too weak.”

Pacifism is trafficking with the enemy. “For Ur-Fascism there is no struggle for life but, rather, life is lived for struggle.”

Contempt for the weak. “Elitism is a typical aspect of any reactionary ideology.”

Everybody is educated to become a hero. “In Ur-Fascist ideology, heroism is the norm. This cult of heroism is strictly linked with the cult of death.”

Machismo and weaponry. “Machismo implies both disdain for women and intolerance and condemnation of nonstandard sexual habits, from chastity to homosexuality.”

Selective populism. “There is in our future a TV or Internet populism, in which the emotional response of a selected group of citizens can be presented and accepted as the Voice of the People.”

Ur-Fascism speaks Newspeak. “All the Nazi or Fascist schoolbooks made use of an impoverished vocabulary, and an elementary syntax, in order to limit the instruments for complex and critical reasoning.”


I'd say Putin's regime checks most of these boxes quite neatly.

The full article here, because Eco is a bit of a thinker and reducing him to 14 points is a disservice.

https://www.pegc.us/archive/Articles/eco_ur-fascism.pdf

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At this point I prefer a "fascist" as you call it over our own govt, and Liberal, woke, SJW culture
Never doubted it.

 
Old 06-23-2022, 09:27 PM
 
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Originally Posted by Dane_in_LA View Post
In popular US discourse? Not a chance.

But if we move into the world where words mean things and people try to communicate rather than propagandize, I rather like Umberto Eco's take. Apart from being a very smart fellow, he grew up under fascism and then moved on to make the study of semiotics his life's work.

He came up with a list - this is a synopsis, of course:

The cult of tradition. “One has only to look at the syllabus of every fascist movement to find the major traditionalist thinkers. The Nazi gnosis was nourished by traditionalist, syncretistic, occult elements.”

The rejection of modernism. “The Enlightenment, the Age of Reason, is seen as the beginning of modern depravity. In this sense Ur-Fascism can be defined as irrationalism.”

The cult of action for action’s sake. “Action being beautiful in itself, it must be taken before, or without, any previous reflection. Thinking is a form of emasculation.”

Disagreement is treason. “The critical spirit makes distinctions, and to distinguish is a sign of modernism. In modern culture the scientific community praises disagreement as a way to improve knowledge.”

Fear of difference. “The first appeal of a fascist or prematurely fascist movement is an appeal against the intruders. Thus Ur-Fascism is racist by definition.”

Appeal to social frustration. “One of the most typical features of the historical fascism was the appeal to a frustrated middle class, a class suffering from an economic crisis or feelings of political humiliation, and frightened by the pressure of lower social groups.”

The obsession with a plot. “Thus at the root of the Ur-Fascist psychology there is the obsession with a plot, possibly an international one. The followers must feel besieged.”

The enemy is both strong and weak. “By a continuous shifting of rhetorical focus, the enemies are at the same time too strong and too weak.”

Pacifism is trafficking with the enemy. “For Ur-Fascism there is no struggle for life but, rather, life is lived for struggle.”

Contempt for the weak. “Elitism is a typical aspect of any reactionary ideology.”

Everybody is educated to become a hero. “In Ur-Fascist ideology, heroism is the norm. This cult of heroism is strictly linked with the cult of death.”

Machismo and weaponry. “Machismo implies both disdain for women and intolerance and condemnation of nonstandard sexual habits, from chastity to homosexuality.”

Selective populism. “There is in our future a TV or Internet populism, in which the emotional response of a selected group of citizens can be presented and accepted as the Voice of the People.”

Ur-Fascism speaks Newspeak. “All the Nazi or Fascist schoolbooks made use of an impoverished vocabulary, and an elementary syntax, in order to limit the instruments for complex and critical reasoning.”


I'd say Putin's regime checks most of these boxes quite neatly.

The full article here, because Eco is a bit of a thinker and reducing him to 14 points is a disservice.

https://www.pegc.us/archive/Articles/eco_ur-fascism.pdf

Never doubted it.
Umberto Ecco was a child when all that went down. He is much closer to modern US discourse, than a first hand account, or primary source. He wrote his "Ur Fascism" in 1995. The mid 90s is when all the social engineering of the Gen Yers, steering them down the path to Hipsterism, and finally to what the wokism, SJW, Liberalism of right now.

Plus all he states is just what is thought in Politicals Science in colleges. Its just tactics that campaign managers use all the time. Which is why we have the term "fascism" being thrown at everyone's face as accusations. Its along the same lines as calling someone a white supremacists or an anti-semite, or a misogynist.
 
Old 06-24-2022, 07:32 AM
 
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I like the clever Potemkin reference, not surprising from Paul Krugman, but I don't know how much traction it would have.

The seasonal energy/fuel issue makes sense.



Russia Is a Potemkin Superpower
Beware, Vladimir Putin: Spring is coming. And when it does, you’ll lose much of whatever leverage you had left.
Before Putin invaded Ukraine, I might have described the Russian Federation as a medium-size power punching above its weight in part by exploiting Western divisions and corruption, in part by maintaining a powerful military. Since then, however, two things have become clear. First, Putin has delusions of grandeur. Second, Russia is even weaker than most people, myself included, seem to have realized.
But Russia is looking less and less like an advanced nation. The truth is that I was being generous in describing Russia as even a medium-size power.
Putin isn’t the first brutal dictator to make himself an international pariah. As far as I can tell, however, he’s the first to do so while presiding over an economy deeply dependent on international commerce — and with a political elite accustomed, more or less literally, to treating Western democracies as their playground.
https://davesnews.co.uk/media/russia...in-superpower/



read balded. Spring came and went, summer is in in its midst, russia is still doing fine and its trade with India/China/Brazil went 82% up. No need to post outdated, paid for articles.
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