A clear explanation of the historical background of Ukraine crisis

[Tom Lennox 70]

The fact remains that Ukraine is the native land of the Ukrainian people and the ethnic Russians living there are a post-colonial presence, like if British settlers never left India after Indian dependence and wanted to separate a majority British territory from India. There are ethnic Russians in the other former Soviet republics as well and these people are not loyal to their new countries, they're still loyal to Russia. Even though they're Ukrainian citizens, they aren't loyal to Ukraine and have refused to assimilate into Ukrainian culture or learn the Ukrainian language. In a way I guess this is like Mexicans coming here and not speaking English and not assimilating into American culture but only worse.

Ukraine is not a nation of immigrants and ethnic Russians truly shouldn't be living there. The Russian presence in Ukraine dates to the 1920s or so while native Ukrainians have inhabited the land for thousands of years. The Soviets had a policy of flooding the other republics with ethnic Russians to solidify their control, the way the Chinese government encouraged people from elsewhere in China to move to Tibet so that Tibetans would be a minority on their own land. Ethnic Russians never was a majority of Ukraine but after Ukrainian independence they controlled the Ukrainian government, kind of like the white minority in apartheid South Africa, where native Ukrainians had few rights until they overthrow the ethnic Russians in 2014.

[Tom Lennox 70]

In a way, the settlement of ethnic Russians on Ukrainian land is ALSO similar to how when the British colonized Ireland they encouraged the settlement of Anglo Protestants into what is now Northern Ireland, so in many ways Donbas is in a similar situation as Northern Ireland. However the Protestant population in Northern Ireland has been there since the 1600s while the Russian settler presence in Ukraine dates to the 1920s and the conquest by the Soviet Union. Maybe its best for Ukraine to be rid of Donbas, but the rest of Ukraine should be completely under the control of the indigenous Ukrainian race without ethnic Russians on their land and with a government run by ethnic Ukrainians. Crimea is also part of Ukraine but dominated by ethnic Russians and now annexed by Russia. I believe in that area the Russians cleansed the Crimea of ethnic Ukrainians hence establishing their large majority there.

[Speleothem]

Originally Posted by bluesclues5

Step away from Fox News bro.

He didn't get that crap there.

[Troyfan]

https://www.wsj.com/articles/cause-u...ion_lead_pos11

If you prefer reading to hearing.

He considers the proximate cause to be "Nov. 10 (2021), when the U.S. and Ukraine signed a Charter on Strategic Partnership, which asserted America’s support for Kyiv’s right to pursue membership in the North Atlantic Treaty Organization".

Deeper and longer term causes include Putin's ambition for Russia, his historical perspective, his despise of Communist Russia especially a 1923 move that federated it with political boundaries that were later used to carve off separate countries.

[vegasrollingstone]

This is a good lecture from John J. Mearsheimer and I believe most of what he says with a few exceptions. When he's discussing Putin he says that Putin is "not bent on creating a greater Russia". I'm not sure about that one because it seams like Putin is hell bent on creating a bigger and better Russia, the takeover of Crimea and Ukraine is an example of that. Ukraine gives Russia greater access to the Black Sea which is significant for Russia's naval fleet why wouldn't Russia want that?



Secondly he says that Russia wants Ukraine to be a neutral country, not part of NATO. I don't think it's that simple, Putin's quest to "de-nazi" Ukraine is code for replacing the Ukraine government with his own government. I certainly don't think that excluding Ukraine from NATO would have avoided this conflict there's a lot more to the agenda.