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Old 03-19-2022, 04:54 AM
 
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And who issued Putin a certificate to make foreign policy decisions for neighboring countries?

Anyway, looks like his current idiocy has revitalized NATO and re-armed Germany, so - good job on that, Putler.
Joining NATO is a two way agreement. No need to make Ukraine agree to anything. NATO needs to affirm it won’t expend into Ukraine as such a move is inherently destabilizing to peace in this area.

If Bucharest 2008 never happened my guess we wouldn’t be here today talking about invasion of Ukraine.
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Old 03-19-2022, 05:09 AM
 
Location: Honolulu, HI
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It is still ultimately not our issue. These are countries on the other side of the world, the US cannot and should not be the world's police.
The left doesn’t care. They were tired of being the worlds police for the Middle East, but now they’re happy to be the worlds police for Eastern Europe.

Welcome back lucrative defense contracts, massive defense spending, and military industrial complex! The left missed you!
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Old 03-19-2022, 08:55 AM
 
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It goes beyond NATO. It's about what kind of world do we want to be living in, that approves and accepts a big country, taking over a smaller country, who wants to keep its freedom and independence?
Not my kind of world.
Look thru world history, all the way back to when things started being recorded...big countries taking over smaller countries is pretty common thru out history.
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Old 03-19-2022, 09:00 AM
 
Location: Los Angeles
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It is still ultimately not our issue. These are countries on the other side of the world, the US cannot and should not be the world's police.
Unless the vast majority of Americans support giving Ukraine as much aide as it needs. And a vast majority of Americans do, so this is in line with public sentiment. The nativist/paleoconservative America First meme is quickly becoming the double knit polyester of the 2020's.
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Old 03-19-2022, 09:05 AM
 
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Unless the vast majority of Americans support giving Ukraine as much aide as it needs. And a vast majority of Americans do, so this is in line with public sentiment. The nativist/paleoconservative America First meme is quickly becoming the double knit polyester of the 2020's.
The only reason so many Americans seem to be pro Ukraine right now, is ONLY due to which country is invading Ukraine at the moment...if it were any other country invading, Ukraine would be depicted as criminals.
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Old 03-19-2022, 03:00 PM
 
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I'm also pretty much sure Putin picked the easiest way to "poke the bear" that is USA, by making this maneuver, knowing/thinking he can draw USA into his war..aka WWIII, and he can then blame the USA, and Biden, McConnell, pelosis for it.

What do you guys think?
You have it all wrong. The US poked Russia.

I get that Global Geo-Political Strategy weirds people out. It's like a chess match in every way, but the vast majority of people don't understand chess or suck at it.

The end-game of chess is to mate your opponents king. The end-game of US Geo-Strategy is control of the eastern Russian republics.

I did not create this strategy (but I know who did) and I worked on and contributed to it. It's ironic, but Ford and Trump are the only two Presidents who never did anything to further The Plan®.

Bush did his part by creating the situation to invade Iraq and then maintain a US military presence indefinitely until a better opportunity came to strike (and that was 9-11.)

Clinton, Bush, and Obama did their part, which was driving Russia out of the Mediterranean to pen them up in the Black Sea, Clinton first by carving up Yugoslavia, and then Bush and Obama by bankrolling "pro-Democracy" groups to instigate Arab Spring and then Obama by bombing Libya and illegally over-throwing the Libyan and Tunisian governments to deny Russia access to ports and forward operating airbases.

The only sticking point is Syria, which doesn't offer much in the way of naval ports, but Russia could potentially base fighters and bombers there to defend itself.

Bush did his part by invading Iraq and Afghanistan in preparation for Iran.

Bush also illegally overthrew the Ukrainian government in 2004.

If you are capable of understanding that, then you'll understand why Russia took Crimea.

The US/NATO will enforce the No-Fly Zone over Russia from airbases in Romania, Bulgaria and Turkey (plus Central Asia).

Russian control of Crimea allows Russian surface groups, which are excellent anti-ship/anti-air platforms to blast US/NATO aircraft out of the sky launching from Romania, Bulgaria, and Turkey en route to Russia, plus the SAM sites in Crimea will do the same.

That is why US control of Ukraine is absolutely critical to the success of US Geo-Strategy.

If Belarus and Ukraine are neutral, then the US/NATO cannot violate Belorussian or Ukrainian air-space and must rely solely on the airbases in Romania, Bulgaria and Turkey, as well as air bases in Central Asia (mostly Kazakhstan) to enforce the No-Fly Zone over Russia.

The Russians know that which is why they are in Ukraine.

It's self-defense, not expansionism.

The US/NATO are the bullies/aggressors, not Russia. Russia is just trying to defend itself.

I would suggest this thing with Afghanistan accelerated Russian action.

This thing with Afghanistan was not, um, "sudden."

That was planned. The nuclear angle with Iran has failed spectacularly.

The US is not gonna be able to use Iranian nukes as a pretext to invade Iran.

That's probably the real reason the US withdrew "suddenly" from Afghanistan.

I would say within the next 5-6 years look for a false flag event where the US accuses Iran and the Taliban of working together and uses that as a pretext to invade Iran.

Russia probably realized that and moved now, because Russian involvement in Ukraine will delay the false flag event for the duration of the action in Ukraine and some time afterward.

A neutral Ukraine will also accelerate the US invasion of Iran so it can press its hegemony on Central Asia and gain control, but that will take time and Russia (and China and India) know that which makes it more likely the US will fail.

You can see from this map how the US has driven Russia out of the Mediterranean. Red is the US/NATO, and orange is what the US/NATO wants to control.






The Ural Mountains are what divides eastern Russian from Russia-proper.

Watch what happens.
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Old 03-19-2022, 04:02 PM
 
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^^^^ Good post. Now some will now get the thinking of the other side and not this b.s. propaganda from our media. "Putin is doing because he is crazy. He is evil" LOL
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Old 03-19-2022, 10:11 PM
 
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Yes, it's bombing Ukranian hospitals in self-defense. I'd say LOL but it's not funny. Of course your post will generate applause from the Russian trolls on this board.
So…..Mircea explains a very plausible scenario which really sounds like it is closer to the truth than most of what we are hearing. Your only statements I have seen so far are two lines with “Russian troll” in all of them.
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Old 03-19-2022, 10:13 PM
 
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The only reason so many Americans seem to be pro Ukraine right now, is ONLY due to which country is invading Ukraine at the moment...if it were any other country invading, Ukraine would be depicted as criminals.
If it were China or Iran invading I think Americans would feel the same. If it were China invading Taiwan it would be the same.

So, um, you are wrong.
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Old 03-19-2022, 10:26 PM
 
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Yes, it's bombing Ukranian hospitals in self-defense. I'd say LOL but it's not funny. Of course your post will generate applause from the Russian trolls on this board.
Why are some people so childish.
If Ukraine joins NATO, there would be WW3.

Russia is protecting Russians as well as Americans from a lot of unnecessary suffering.

Look at the big picture, Zelensky is an extremely dumb president who wouldn't have rested until there was WW3.

NATO has no business in the East.

We should be friends with Russia rather than dumb Ukraine.
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