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Old 03-17-2022, 06:01 AM
 
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He may not be sure that he can defeat Ukraine militarily. His strategy appears to be to demoralize the people until they just willingly give up.
Looking at the 2001 census Ukraine has a population of 48,457,102 people well Russia has population of 143,054,637

And Russia has 900,000 active military personnel well Ukraine has 209,000 active military personnel.

https://www.worldatlas.com/articles/...the-world.html

 
Old 03-17-2022, 06:21 AM
 
Location: NJ
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Tag team with China, get US in war and China slams the door forever on the US.

corporations, media and pols who have been sheering for china will come out on top...and then be smacked down when they are no longer needed as useful idiots for china

now we know why the free press disappeared from the earth to morph into a government propaganda machine. China has already set up a government propaganda machine with cnn, msnbc, big tech who wont; cooperate with US military but no problem working with communists. A proapganda machine is critical, indispensable to despotic regimes.

If you wanted to destroy america all you would have to do, is do what biden and the socialists have done to our country. 'china, come on man!'

Putin is China's hound dog, flush out the pheasant and China is there at the ready to pull the trigger.

These wild azs scenarios go a long way to explain what we see happening in our country. Otherwise un explainable. Don;t look at events in isolation, see the pattern to get a grasp on the endpoint.
 
Old 03-17-2022, 06:26 AM
 
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Putin and his advisers made a big mistake.

Firstly they didn't expect the Ukrainian response, and the devastating affect it has had on their own armed forces in terms of casualties. There is also the prospect of a guerilla war in Ukraine lasting many years, whilst Ukraine is unlikely to ever accept a Russian puppet Government.

Secondly the Russian Armed forces have been plagued with problems including logistics and communication, as well as outdated equipment.

Thirdly Putin did not expect the global response that has occurred, with even the EU taking direct decisive sanctions, and the future of the Russian economy now looks grim, and

Fourthly the prospect of reducing Ukrainian cities to rubble, will be condemned throughout the world and lead to further problems for Putin's political future.

Finally Putin will be under pressure from the powerful Oligarchs, however what will concern him most is not the Oligarchs or public or even global opinion, it is the shadowy Russian Security Services such as the FSB, who actually have the power to get rid of Putin.

The FSB are the reincarnation of the KGB, which Putin served in, as a middle management bureaucrat, however he will be well aware of the power that such organisations have always wielded throughout Soviet and later Russian history, and the plight Mother Russia is more important than any one man or leader.

Putin therefore wants to resolve this big mistake by trying to present it as some kind of victory, and this is what any agreement will be made to look like, even if it involves the withdrawal of Russian forces.

However the reality is Putin is now a damaged leader, of an economically damaged country, a damaged military and the prospect of a reinvigorated and rearmed NATO, whilst Russia is increasingly looking to China for help and in terms of alliances.
Yea the US and NATO putting economic sanctions on Putin just made him become more crazy like say Iran and North Korea. He is cut of now from the world economy and Russia is in ruins and he sees no way out now but to go down fighting taking the world with him. And in way more dangerous than the USSR that had empire and controlled many countries. Where Russia economy is in ruins and getting worse every day where before when there was USSR at least was stable and was the second biggest in the world.

Just like every month North Korea sends missiles that get closer and closer to California that mostly likely a war will break out at some point with US and North Korea in the future. But the dangerous thing is Russia is way more powerful than North Korea. Now Russia day by day is becoming more like North Korea.

If the US and NATO did not put the sanction on Russia he probably would not been pushed over the edge and gone on a rampage of killing the civilians.

This Ukraine mess is really a proxy war now of Russia and the west just like the Vietnam war and Korean war and the Cuban crisis. The cold war all over again at the all time worse. Even with Vietnam war and Korean war it was not as bad as it is now.
 
Old 03-17-2022, 06:31 AM
 
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Russia tried to seize the capital and install a puppet, but it failed.
It takes time to get control of country but the Russian military is very disorganized. The military in Ukraine is probably putting up a big fight that he did not know they where that strong.

But probably in month or so he will probably destroy 95% of the Ukraine military. Has Russia is still much bigger compared to Ukraine.
 
Old 03-17-2022, 06:33 AM
 
Location: San Diego
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Russia has been in Ukraine for weeks now and spending all this time and energy bombing non military and government sites. Why? Why are they wasting time bombing many hospitals and apartment buildings and allowing the Ukraine military to organize and build up?
Are you assuming that since the media is only talking about civilian target being bombed, that means only civilian targets are being bombed?
 
Old 03-17-2022, 06:46 AM
 
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Why is Russia wasting all this time, energy and resources?

This got me thinking is this war really about the great reset and Putin and Biden are working together.

is this part of the plan of the great rest to really start WW3?
I am convinced that you really believe this paranoid fantasy. In a way, that is more dangerous than megalomaniac Putin with his 6000+ nuclear weapons. Our military when the time comes can annihilate Russia's army with ease if he decides to push on into NATO territory. But they can't do a thing to protect our country from destroying itself from within.

Russia has one ace in the hole, and that is to keep on pushing disinformation and self-destructive memes like this into America's social discourse. He doesn't have to spend a penny or put boots on the ground in the West, all he he has to do is keep dropping the poison pellets of division into our politics. Sit back and laugh as he watches us race around debating "liberal" versus "conservative" nonsense - all the while expanding his dictatorship and re-establishing the Iron Curtain.
 
Old 03-17-2022, 06:48 AM
 
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He hasn't changed his story in the past 15 years. Same gripes now as he had then. Western expansionism mostly. https://www.thebulwark.com/putin-ann...hasnt-changed/

U.S. and European policies leading up to the February 2007 conference provided Putin useful material for his rant. In the months preceding the conference, the Bush administration in concert with America’s European allies was pursuing multiple, concurrent policies intended to strengthen transatlantic security. Bulgaria and Romania had agreed to host U.S. forces. NATO was close to extending membership invitations to Albania, Croatia, and Macedonia, having invited seven nations of Central and Eastern Europe to join in 2002. NATO had also made the decision to take over responsibility for the entirety of Afghanistan via the International Security Assistance Force (ISAF) mission.
Thing is Putin never wanted to join the UN or the west he wants his own country. Putin never trusted the west or NATO. He looks at the UN and NATO has way of destroying Russia.

Putin wants Russia to be like it was in past that can counter the west. And if he had his way would take over eastern block. And this is bad news because many of them are NATO so this would start ww3.

Putin wants the past and now with this war and the new cold war that has gone from bad to worse very much so now.

But look at Putin going to the Syrian war sending military there and the 2014 Ukraine border war. So it was getting bad at that time and now it is worse.

Putin spoked out of the Russian leaders of 90s betraying Russia and too soft with the west.

Putin was in the KGB before getting into government and never liked what Russia did in the 90s.
 
Old 03-17-2022, 06:52 AM
 
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you don't have a clue.
 
Old 03-17-2022, 06:58 AM
 
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Russia tried to seize the capital and install a puppet, but it failed. The new strategy is to force Ukraine to give up.

Putin's idea behind killing civilians is to terrorize the population so that Ukrainians are more willing to concede to Russia's demands.
seems so simple.

He has already bombed the hell out of military targets. Destroyed numerous airfields. Dominates the coast of the Black Sea.

His expectation seems to have been that a shock and awe strike/campaign would have had their former region hail him as a liberator so they could reform the Soviet Union.
 
Old 03-17-2022, 07:08 AM
 
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Analysis I heard was that Putin doesn't want to control Ukraine, he just doesn't want Ukraine becoming westernized, with EU or NATO. Ukraine can be independent but pro Russian. Since Ukrainians are fighting back and Russian troops can't take the cities, he will reduce the cities to rubble if need be. Then Russian troops will occupy destroyed cities, declaring victory. Then he will rebuild Ukraine as a non-western Russian independent state. That's basically it.

Or, the war gets bogged down for years if Ukraine can keep Russian artillery far enough away from the cities to prevent the cities from being b omb ed. If that happens I suspect Putin will drop the 'big one' on Kiyv as the last resort.
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