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Embrace our differences instead of our similarities? No thanks.
A dog is a dog is a dog despite the difference in its origins. The analogy totally went over your head, didn't it?
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I don't object to legal immigration in limited numbers to those we actually need and that are willing to assimilate into our society. My main objection is to illegal aliens who are raping our country financially, had no respect for our immigration laws and that are changing our identifying culture and language in an unnatural and unlawful way yet that poster you replied to finds fault with that?
Where are your ancestors from? How long did it take them to "assimilate" into "our society"?
How, exactly, are immigrants changing "our identifying culture"? Can you even define what that "identifying culture" is, exactly?
What is a natural way to change culture? Because of there's an unnatural way, that's gotta be a natural way, no? How do they differ? How are illegal immigrants being unnatural?
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It's not natural for a culture to change due to massive illegal immigration and it's certainly not lawful. That would be the illegal way to do it.
Gee, I wonder if the native tribes of North America in the 17th, 18th, and 19th centuries thought the same thing ... ?
I live in a predominantly Hispanic neighborhood. Without fail, every weekend (and some weekdays), there is Mexican music BLARING from someone's backyard, morning noon and night. It's so common, I have to wonder if congenital deafness is prevalent in Mexico. I don't have a problem with someone preferring their own music, food, etc. but it seems as though a lot of the immigrants have no consideration for anyone other than themselves. This goes for the fireworks at every opportunity, shooting guns in the air for celebration, etc. This may be perfectly acceptable in their own country, but in the US, it's not. No one is asking immigrants to lose their cultural traditions unless they infringe on other's rights.
Immigrants should also refrain from criticizing the US or Americans. That really gets under my skin - no one invited you here and if you don't like it, you are free to leave.
It's a cultural thing. Mexicans just really like music. I lived in Mexico City for a while and found it to be the noisiest place I've ever experienced. I could leave my window open at night but as soon as the businesses started opening at 8am, I had to close it because of the music and street noise. Walk down the street for 5 minutes and every shop you pass will have a speaker outside blasting some type of banda or reggaeton.
Quote....."any educated Chinese person knows that language changes every day" and yet you provided no proof of that and WTH does that even mean?
I was referring to a person in China who understands linguistics and/or is smart enough to know that this is simply how language works.
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Why would I find it fascinating to not understand what a person is saying? Should I learn every language in the world so that I can?
Your last sentence is kind of an dumb and unnecessary remark. I will ignore it. You might find it fascinating if you had a more curious and knowledge-seeking mind. To admit you do not is honest. Fair enough.
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This is the U.S. our national de facto language is English and I certainly wouldn't want us to lose that due to unassimilating immigrants and certainly not massive illegal immigration from mostly one linguistic group. Why can't you understand that?
I do understand that you don't want that to happen. You have made that very clear.
I live in a predominantly Hispanic neighborhood. Without fail, every weekend (and some weekdays), there is Mexican music BLARING from someone's backyard, morning noon and night. It's so common, I have to wonder if congenital deafness is prevalent in Mexico. I don't have a problem with someone preferring their own music, food, etc. but it seems as though a lot of the immigrants have no consideration for anyone other than themselves. This goes for the fireworks at every opportunity, shooting guns in the air for celebration, etc. This may be perfectly acceptable in their own country, but in the US, it's not. No one is asking immigrants to lose their cultural traditions unless they infringe on other's rights.
Immigrants should also refrain from criticizing the US or Americans. That really gets under my skin - no one invited you here and if you don't like it, you are free to leave.
Really?
One of the great things about the U.S. is the freedom we have to criticize our government without expecting to be retaliated against by the government.
Do you think immigrants should be denied that privilege, or do you just think that no one should criticize the government ?
Did you not read your own link? 71.5% of that area are Hispanics. Also many Hispanics call themselves plain ole white when most Cubans are not nor are most from south of our border. They are of mixed race.
It is vert difficult to get a job in Miami unless you speak Spanish. Most businesses there require it. As I have asked, why haven't the Cubans assimilated linguistically into our country after 60 years? They don't call it Little Havana for no reason, you know.
I’m good with it, mostly because I grew up with it and feel most at home in heterogeneous neighborhoods. I don’t expect first generation immigrants to ever fully assimilate, but in my experience the kids usually do a pretty good job of it. They tend to lose a lot of their “old country” culture, I’ve found, but that’s highly variable.
Same here.
My affluent Bay Area suburb wasn't as heterogeneous as yours, but my particular street was close. I also spent a lot of time in S.F. (many of my relatives on my father's side live there) and Berkeley while I was growing up.
Mostly because I’m not sure what you mean by unnatural. It’s highly natural for cultures to change. That’s why the west isn’t a continuation of the Roman Empire or something.
Unlawful is a different discussion, and merits its own sidebar. I think you can immigrate illegally - it’s plain fact, the government has statutes on this - but you can’t alter culture illegally.
Either way, I don’t know that it merits the level of worry you have. Heavily immigrant areas aren’t always some cesspool of insanity or something. Often they’re quite clean and pleasant, and the language barrier is usually not as hard as you make it out to be.
But again, I grew up in a minority-majority place, so it was cast in my mind as “normal” to figure out how to interact with sometimes very different people. My experience and yours are going to be very different on that count.
That poster you're replying to would have preferred the makeup of your hometown in the 1950s, not as it was when you were growing up, nor as it is today.
Quote....."any educated Chinese person knows that language changes every day" and yet you provided no proof of that and WTH does that even mean?
Why would I find it fascinating to not understand what a person is saying? Should I learn every language in the world so that I can?
This is the U.S. our national de facto language is English and I certainly wouldn't want us to lose that due to unassimilating immigrants and certainly not massive illegal immigration from mostly one linguistic group. Why can't you understand that?
Because it motivates people to challenge themselves and learn.
A changing culture would be a natural process via legal immigration not illegal immigration and the latter is also unlawful.
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