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Those batteries are supposed to last 300,000 to 500,000 miles. Do you have evidence that is incorrect?
Ever buy a laptop that gets 12 hours battery when it is advertised? In real life it never matches. We are actually going to need an official measurement that is solid. 300,000-500,000 is vague. What percentage of range is left at 300,000 miles? Maybe 5 people fit in your 5 man tent and your laptop gets more than they say but color me suspicious.
The battery will slowly degrade the day you buy it. They don't just go 300,000 miles and then stop. The problem is it is unpredictable when it happens. So you are going to cross Death Valley. It's a few hundred miles between chargers. I did it last year but will it do it this year? That sort of thing.
The ratings need to be verified by an independent source. That would be a start because right now nobody knows.
So, they broke even three years ago. What is their life expectancy? What is their replacement cost?
You also have to factor in when people go solar often times they actively cut down on electricity to accommodate the limits of the system. If you changed your water heater to gas, installed an ultra efficient fridge, swapped out gas dryer, installed all LED lights etc. i am not say8ng that's bad it's just anybody could gain those savings solar or not.
My point is people on solar generally have to cut back drastically and make compromises. I am on the grid and I also save money when I turn my AC down and don't fire my furnace up.
The increase in emissions would only be temporary as you transition you grid sources to things that don't produce emissions
Define "temporary": Is it 50 years, until fusion becomes viable?
Is it 20 years, until we get more nuclear reactors online (the only viable near-to-middle term solution for clean energy)? Oh I forgot, we are anti-nuclear as well.... ok, scratch that one...
Please don't say solar, which makes up a whopping 2.3% of electricity production in the US. Even if we see a 10x increase (pretty optimistic), it wouldn't come close to satisfying the added demand from EVs.
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electricity is in this sense just a form of transferring energy
Exactly. I'll give you credit for at least understanding this. Electricity effectively "moves" energy from the molecular bonds stored in coal / natural gas / oil, into kinetic energy of a car moving down the highway at 80 mph. Its not free energy.
You wouldn't believe how many EV owners actually think that the electricity to charge their car just comes "from the wall"..
Believe me, I care about climate change. But blindly forcing people to buy EVs is of no help whatsoever. Again, this isn't about preventing climate change, its about appearing progressive...
Ever buy a laptop that gets 12 hours battery when it is advertised? In real life it never matches. We are actually going to need an official measurement that is solid. 300,000-500,000 is vague. What percentage of range is left at 300,000 miles? Maybe 5 people fit in your 5 man tent and your laptop gets more than they say but color me suspicious.
The battery will slowly degrade the day you buy it. They don't just go 300,000 miles and then stop. The problem is it is unpredictable when it happens. So you are going to cross Death Valley. It's a few hundred miles between chargers. I did it last year but will it do it this year? That sort of thing.
The ratings need to be verified by an independent source. That would be a start because right now nobody knows.
Hopefully by the time I would be in the market there is more of a consensus.
So...how much do solar panels cost? And how much do they cost to repair after a hailstorm or a tornado? And how long will it take to pay off those panels @$50/month?
The ROI simply doesn't work. The savings won't even cover the interest on the HELOC I would need to take out to have them installed.
At $80/month, your break-even point is 750 months.
What a boob.
Well, to be accurate, one should not use 50 or 60k, but rather the difference between buying an EV vs buying a conventional ICE vehicle. Secondly, Biden must have misspoke, because most people spend more like $80 per week, not per month.
So, let's assume that buying an electric vehicle costs you $10k more than a comparable ICE vehicle, then your breakeven point is more like 30 months. That's not bad.
Hopefully by the time I would be in the market there is more of a consensus.
I can tell you without a doubt all of my power tools that are battery operated never do the amount of cycles claimed. I am not unhappy and prefer them but I am not as reliant on my chainsaw in daily life as I would be with a car. Right now for me it's the price. However if I did make the plunge I would only do so if I have another vehicle for back up. It would also be wise to look wh@t is happening weather wise before going on a road trip with one.
That big nor'easter that knocks the power out for a week becomes a no go zone for that entire period. With a normal ca4 you avoid the storm if possible but never worry about travel when the roads are clear. Avoid California in September, Florida in November etc. i know people will say that would be infrequent circumstances but that doesn't matter when you get caught out.
I think this administration is successfully creating resentment for EV's, in some people, by telling them they have to do something, rather than letting the free market to its thing.
Exactly! i believe that. Everything that the Biden admin is pushing on us, i do not trust it. because of Biden's track record. everything he touches turns to crap. so whatever they are pushing, i refuse it.
#1 - Biden said nothing about buying a $50,000 EV
#2 - A 5 second search shows several EVs well below 50k, in the 20 to 30k range.
#3 - The Build Back Better Plan intends to offer as much as a $12,500 rebate on EV purchase
#4 - Cons don't care about any of this because it doesn't fit their narrative to make Biden look bad therefor " Buy A $50,000 EV And "Save About $80 A Month" fitstheir spin a lot better.
Let try to actually be real for 30 seconds.
A 25k economy gas car with an assumed life span of 8 years (96 months). 25k plus $40 bucks a week ($16,640 for 8 years) for gas .... that's $433 a month for car and gas.
A 25K EV (less a build back better rebate, lets say a minimum of 5k rebate). According to Kelly Blue Book, it will cost about $55 a month ($5,280 for 8 years) to charge an EV at home. That totals out to about $263 a month for car and electricity.
Yeah, yeah ... there are a lot of variables ... but it should be obvious EVs can be a lot cheaper to operate on average, which is basically Biden's point . Trying to discredit that requires one more big lie.
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