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Old 04-16-2022, 08:24 AM
 
Location: Sonoran Desert
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Every one of these laws has been tossed as unconstitutional - people have a right to "assemble" in public places. Then again, with the new GOP court, who knows?
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Old 04-16-2022, 08:29 AM
 
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Intoxicants, in forms various, are the most propagated mind influencer in the world. Probably, with pornography being the second.
HUGE efforts were done to bring public attention to them and, to show, to frail minds, how "cool" they are.

And then there you are.
It is not just about the money, though black market is prospering and Big Pharma is too, off legal opioids dispensaries, called pain clinics.
It is, more so, about dumming and dimwitting people, young people, as majority of them don't really get old enough.

Such folks will never question authorities, won't look into politics or riot for personal freedoms.
They only want to get high. That's it. Mindless herd, easily maneuvered and directed anywhere. They are not even brainwashed, they are brain dead. If you want to ruin any city, just start giving away free or cheap drugs there or, lower drug regulations and, in no time, they'll swarm to that graceland. It is a quiet weapon, just like illegals and "refugees" in Europe.

And don't be a bigot and cry about homeless being fined $50 while on no income. You know well enough, WHY he has no income.

Btw, I'll tell you, what cures drug addiction very well.
One year of forced very hard physical labor. In a camp/conditions with ZERO drugs availability. That does the job.
Could this explain why the DEA refuses to take action to deal with this problem? I wonder.


They are the only federal agency, that people have tolerated complete failure from, and still continue to support them.
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Old 04-16-2022, 08:30 AM
 
Location: Barrington
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In 2009 a group of homeless people sued the city of Boise for the right to camp out on public property. It made its way through the courts and eventually landed in the 9th District Federal Court of Appeal. This court ruled that anti- camping ordinances cannot be enforced unless there are enough homeless shelter beds available for the homeless population. SCOTUS declined to hear an appeal in 2019.

The 9th District Court covers Nine states, Ak, Az, Ca, Hi, Id, Mt, NV, Or and Wa.

The ruling is viewed a a major contributing factor to local homeless challenges in several municipalities in the 9 th District Court of Appeals.

Should the Tennessee legislation pass and if there is a similar suit, I don’t know if the precedent set by the 9th District would apply.
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Old 04-16-2022, 08:34 AM
 
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What needs to happen is that instead of fining these people, they need to be taken to a compound far away from the city and they can camp there for free. Maybe the state should even throw in an MRE a day.

Of course, they wouldn’t be able to leave unless they can prove they have housing lined up. If you want to call it camping jail, I’m ok with naming it that.

Anyway, this would be a strong deterrent for people to start making proper choices with their lives.
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Old 04-16-2022, 08:35 AM
 
Location: Sonoran Desert
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In 2009 a group of homeless people sued the city of Boise for the right to camp out on public property. It made its way through the courts and eventually landed in the 9th District Federal Court of Appeal. This court ruled that anti- camping ordinances cannot be enforced unless there are enough homeless shelter beds available for the homeless population. SCOTUS declined to hear an appeal in 2019.

The 9th District Court covers Nine states, Ak, Az, Ca, Hi, Id, Mt, NV, Or and Wa.

The ruling is viewed a a major contributing factor to local homeless challenges in several municipalities in the 9 th District Court of Appeals.

Should the Tennessee legislation pass and if there is a similar suit, I don’t know if the precedent set by the 9th District would apply.
It is a rather logical decision. One can't tell the homeless to go to a shelter if the shelters are full. IDK about TN, but seriously doubt they have the shelter space for all the homeless people in that state.
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Old 04-16-2022, 08:36 AM
 
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great for TN
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Old 04-16-2022, 09:22 AM
 
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Tennessee is dealing with some of the same problems with bums and drug users living on the streets that other states are. Tents on sidewalks, people turning downtowns into open sewers and dumps, rampant drug use, prostitution. Not nearly as bad as some cities, but it exists. In response, a bill is making it's way through the legislature making "camping" in public parks, on public sidewalks and on most public property illegal, with fines for violators, and felony convictions for repeat offenders.



https://www.wjhl.com/news/regional/t...ennessee-bill/

One of the bills goes a little further, making panhandling on or near a highway a misdemeanor as well. Long overdue. https://www.cbsnews.com/news/homeles...blic-property/

Great to see a state with some actual leadership on the issue. While not nearly the issue at this time, I'd hate to see TN cities turn into San Francisco or Seattle with bums, drug addicts and criminals taking over the streets. A few hours doing some constructive community service might encourage at least some to get their lives together.
So they're going to impose felony penalties against people who are homeless, who most likely have no money to begin with. Makes sense.
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Old 04-16-2022, 09:32 AM
 
Location: Free State of Florida
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Every one of these laws has been tossed as unconstitutional - people have a right to "assemble" in public places. Then again, with the new GOP court, who knows?
Evenif they assemble out your front door? You'd change your tune quickly if this happened just off your property line.
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Old 04-16-2022, 09:38 AM
 
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So they're going to impose felony penalties against people who are homeless, who most likely have no money to begin with. Makes sense.
That's only for REPEAT offenders. I'm sure that most jurisdictions and courts would only use that as a last resort. However, I do think it is necessary (in some cases) to be able to remove people from public property for an extended period of time and jail them if necessary for repeated violations.

We can't allow bums, winos, and homeless (for whatever reason) to simply take over our public parks, public streets, and public places. Sympathy and compassion are admirable, but we can't allow it to replace common sense in the preservation of our public places for their intended uses for ALL the people.
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Old 04-16-2022, 09:41 AM
 
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Every one of these laws has been tossed as unconstitutional - people have a right to "assemble" in public places. Then again, with the new GOP court, who knows?
There's a difference between "assembly" and "habitation".
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