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This is a big step for a state that has a congressional district called the Bullwinkle District. We have this because the dems drew lines that actually look like Moose antlers to get every last dem and remove every last R from a district they needed to win.
The bipartisan commission with 5 democrats and 5 republicans deadlocked, why is that a surprise. The legislature rejected their first map and the commission couldn't come up a second map and the legislature came up with their own plan which violated the process.
Their partisan version was most definitely Gerrymandered and the court was right to rule against them 5-4, it's problematic that 4 judges couldn't see past their partisanship to reject this latest map. But at least the courts are doing the right thing in having a master provide the new maps.
I hope that Hochul's running mate who is under investigation stays on the ballot, she deserves to have him remain.
Well, I never claimed there was a media blackout. I stated there is less of a deal being made about this ruling (compared to, say, rulings in Ohio or North Carolina, which went against Republicans). I'd say something similar about the Maryland case, which like this one also went against Democrats. There is coverage, but it's not to the same intensity (particularly on video news per what I've seen). I linked to two news articles, so I clearly don't think there's a media blackout
It actually shocked me at how brazen Democrats were in NY, especially as New York's constitution explicitly disallows partisan gerrymandering. They could have come up with a more constitutionally sound map and been able to stave off this ruling, which was a close one at 4-3. This is an exclusively Democrat-judged appointed court, too, for what it's worth.
From what I understand, the process for drawing the maps now goes to a court-appointed special master.
Note, only congressional and state senate maps were challenged, so this ruling applies to them and not to state assembly maps.
I wish a court would have done the same thing decades ago in my state where the controlling dems split my county 4 ways to ensure it did get a repub majority when republican voting registrations were increasing to the point it was a majority.
In general, the Federal Government stays out of the election process. Districts are drawn by each state. As a result, each states has its own ongoing battles as to who controls the pen that draws districts. Right now districts have been been in GOP hands in NC, Ohio and Florida and gerrymandered districts show it. Democrats now control NY districts for the first time since before World War II.
I'm not saying I agree with gerrymandering. Its not fair to the voting population. I am saying that that drawing districts is an ongoing political battle in almost every state and that almost every state has had laws and legal challenges to its laws on gerrymandering since the country was formed. In general, the power of the pen quietly draws away and those not in power, whine about it.
In other words, SNAFU.
"Democrats now control NY districts for the first time since before World War II."
The Democrats are trying to get around the court ruling. They haven't given up by a long shot.
They are. But, even in the case most favorable to them (and it's not clear that their plan would even work), the newly drawn maps would still be in place for 2024; their best bet is to use the current maps for this cycle due to time constraints. I'm hoping that the courts don't put up with the Dems' ruse, though.
Well, I never claimed there was a media blackout. I stated there is less of a deal being made about this ruling (compared to, say, rulings in Ohio or North Carolina, which went against Republicans). I'd say something similar about the Maryland case, which like this one also went against Democrats. There is coverage, but it's not to the same intensity (particularly on video news per what I've seen). I linked to two news articles, so I clearly don't think there's a media blackout
There is Gerrymandering across the country, I don't see the coverage of this any different than NC, MD, Wisconsin, Ohio. Both the NC and Ohio court rulings were also 4-3, which is equally bad for democracy, it should be 7-0.
I am against Gerrymandering regardless of party, every rational person that loves democracy should do the same.
This is a mess with all these court challenges, Section 5 of the VRA should have remained in place.
There is Gerrymandering across the country, I don't see the coverage of this any different than NC, MD, Wisconsin, Ohio. Both the NC and Ohio court rulings were also 4-3, which is equally bad for democracy, it should be 7-0.
I am against Gerrymandering regardless of party, every rational person that loves democracy should do the same.
This is a mess with all these court challenges, Section 5 of the VRA should have remained in place.
I see clear differences in how things are covered.
Still, whether someone is for or against gerrymandering, though, shouldn't guide expected outcomes in court decisions, IMO. Especially for NC, there is no state constitutional prohibition against partisan gerrymandering, yet the state supreme court essentially read one into existence. In short, I agree that NC at least should have been 7-0, but 7-0 in favor of the state legislature based on the above. This is a big reason this year's state supreme court races (for both NC and OH) will be huge. I think for both states they are using partisan markers for candidates on the ballot for the first time.
This is a big step for a state that has a congressional district called the Bullwinkle District. We have this because the dems drew lines that actually look like Moose antlers to get every last dem and remove every last R from a district they needed to win.
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