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There is an old saying ….. “if by the age of 21 you are not a liberal, you have no heart. But by the time you reach 35, if you are not a conservative, you have no brain”.
I'm a Millennial(about to turn 30 soon) and this is quite a tricky question.
Growing up, I was basically the "socially liberal/fiscally conservative" meme online. But I was genuine with that stance unlike many others and Ron Paul was the first person who made me interested in politics.
I'm still fiscally conservative but I find it tricky to consider myself "socially liberal" in today's context.
In the past, I was socially liberal in the sense of wanting non-problematic groups of people to have civil liberties and rights in pursuit of true equality. I was and still am pro-Choice, pro-Gay marriage/civil union, care about the environment, and have a pretty live and let live attitude in regards to many things.
Nowadays, being "socially liberal" means supporting all sorts of agendas that don't resonate with me. I don't support CRT. I don't support allowing Trans "women" to have complete access to female spaces. I don't support BLM or Antifa. I don't care what pronoun you use or go by. I think reparations is a waste of time and money. I think a lot of modern feminism is just cloaked misandry.
All of this defines you as a decent and kind person who cares about others. It also defines you as an independent thinker, who evaluates and measures things logically and reasonably. While those are fine qualities to have, they are also the qualities that will be exploited, without you realizing it. There is an old Arab fable called “beware the camels nose” a story in which a camel pleads with a man to just allow him to slip his nose under the the man’s tent. The request seemed harmless enough so the man agrees. Soon, the camel works his whole head slowly under the tent without the man noticing. It isn’t long before the camel is completely inside the tent and refuses to go back out into the hot Sun. It is then that the man realizes that what appeared to be harmless request at the beginning, became a huge problem in the end, because the camel had no intention of stopping at just putting his nose under the tent. This of course is a metaphor for the more modern version of a salesman sticking his foot in the door, so you can’t close it, and he can continue trying to “sell you” something.
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Originally Posted by GuitarHero45
Basically, what made me socially liberal growing up now makes me a moderate or even a right winger depending on who you ask. Whenever I talk to people about current events in real life, they usually think that I'm conservative or right-leaning even without me saying a word about my politics(I'm Independent).
But I think, to an extent, this is a natural progression. It's not even so much about diehard liberals suddenly wising up and turning into right wing conservatives. It's more so that the definition of "liberal" constantly changes and shifts further left from what liberalism of yesteryear entailed.
No, you totally misunderstand what has happened, and continues to happen. This shifting further left is not some accident, nor is it some natural organic evolution of leftist ideology shifting further left from inertia. It was its planned destination from the start, but couldn’t start off so radically, as it would not have been “accepted”. It needed to slowly indoctrinate its target victims to go along, like the other metaphor of the slow boiling frog. You don’t just toss the frog in a pot of boiling water, else he’ll jump out. You put him in nice warm water, and slowly increase the heat until he is rendered unconscious, and slowly cooks to death. But let be clear, cooking him was always the plan.
These communists …. they are clever in their many deceptions and disguises. First, the “camels nose” in your case, and many others cases as well, is to convince you that it’s ok if you want to be a part time socialist. That is, you can be socially liberal, while also remaining “fiscally conservative”. But that’s the first big lie … it’s not even possible to be both, because they are diametrically opposing philosophies. You cannot hope to support and fund endless numbers of social programs while maintaining a fiscally conservative way of managing a Nation’s resources. So, what may start out as appearing to be reasonable measures to address worthy causes, is guaranteed to grow into the monster it was always destined to become. The great error occurred at the very beginning when you agreed to the unprincipled act of theft, by taking other people’s money away from them by force (taxes), in order to redistribute that money to those deemed deserving of this “free money”. But it’s not free money is it? It’s stolen money, and it was stolen from all of us.
The questions beg to be asked, what form of reason or logic can be so twisted enough to consider stealing to be an act of virtue? And what type of mind can be so naive as to believe government is at all virtuous? And how can we even think for a moment that a thief could ever be trusted to steal just a little, and not want to steal everything?
What began as something sold to the masses as a necessary demonstration of a compassionate civil society, ended up as a systematic pillaging of the nation’s wealth, and taxing everyone into deeper levels of debt slavery.
Socialism/Marxism/Communism …. these are just the same road called by different names, that lead to the same destination … totalitarianism, societal oppression, economic destruction, and abject misery. And there is no such thing as a little bit of totalitarianism … which is why the word begins with TOTAL.
And therefore, metaphorically we can say, the socialist-communists won by a nose.
I'm 34 and grew up in a very conservative part of the country. I was the only one of my friends who I grew up with who voted for Obama in our first election. Now, none of them vote Republican.
I see it in my family too. My brother and sister in law once considered themselves conservative/libertarian. I remember having intense conversations about abortion with them. Guess what changed when they had a daughter, especially after the thousands of dollars of medical bills and serious birth complications they experienced.
The question is "Are millennial leftists aging into right wingers?" From where I sit, we're aging into socialists.
This has been the trending direction since before you were born. Last I heard, over half of the college students today have a favorable opinion of socialism, but it’s hardly a mystery as to why, given the leftist domination of our education system. 40 years ago, you’d have to search far and wide to find anyone with a favorable opinion. And politicians? Democrats of those days would react with righteous indignation at the mere suggestion they were socialists. Now, they prance around wearing their socialist membership pins as badges of honor.
One would have thought that the incompetence and degradation of socialist policies would have finally been exposed for everyone to see, after the economic successes experienced in 2016-2019, before the pandemic was unleashed upon the world, but, apparently not. Then, we have this UNIMAGINABLE DISASTER UNFOLDING at virtually every level now, with the extremely difficult times we’ve seen created by this leftist Biden regime which continues to dismantle the nation, bolt by bolt, and screw by screw. But apparently even this isn’t enough to breathe consciousness into the unconscious, hypnotized left.
Most young people are liberal communist all up until they establishing a career, paying taxes, moving to the suburb, , living a middle life class, and having a family of their own
I think that's very true. If you were merely an average Democrat 10 years ago, you are considered a "right winger" today. If you were a moderate or centrist, you are considered "far right".
Both the left and right have moved left and the left keeps moving faster and faster to the left. Pretty soon if you aren't an outright communist they'll consider you "far right"
Correct. Over decades both parties have notably shifted to the left. John F. Kennedy today would not be a liberal or a democrat. He was more conservative than many of today’s republicans.
Yup. There's something about leaving mommy and daddy's protective custody and going to work for a living that magically turns young little leftists into rightwing, thinking adults.
I'm 34 and grew up in a very conservative part of the country. I was the only one of my friends who I grew up with who voted for Obama in our first election. Now, none of them vote Republican.
I see it in my family too. My brother and sister in law once considered themselves conservative/libertarian. I remember having intense conversations about abortion with them. Guess what changed when they had a daughter, especially after the thousands of dollars of medical bills and serious birth complications they experienced.
The question is "Are millennial leftists aging into right wingers?" From where I sit, we're aging into socialists.
I see something similar. I know a lot of older people who used to vote Republican, but now they can’t bring themselves to do it. My uncle used to be a rural physician in the Midwest who voted Republican, but since retiring and moving, he’s shifted to the left and likes to tell my mom about how he annoys his right-wing neighbors. I’m a younger Gen X who has a lot of millennial friends and I can’t say I’ve seen any of them switch over.
As someone else has mentioned, many of them are more libertarian and if they were republican, chose that party more for the financial aspects. There wasn’t a whole lot of fiscal responsibility going on in the last administration, and now everything seems to be focused on stuff like stopping CRT, gender discussions, abortion, etc. This type of government overreach is precisely what young people don’t want.
FWIW, the oldest Millennials are now in their 40s. They are well past just entering the workforce. Many have their own children who are in high school or will be entering high school soon.
There wasn’t a whole lot of fiscal responsibility going on in the last administration, and now everything seems to be focused on stuff like stopping CRT, gender discussions, abortion, etc. This type of government overreach is precisely what young people don’t want.
You think that public schools teaching Critical Race Theory and LGBT propaganda to young children is not government overreach? And parents who vote for politicians who stop it is government overreach?
That may be the joke of the week.
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