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Old 05-28-2022, 08:46 PM
 
Location: Georgia, USA
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Why is it, for example, that all the people that have lung cancer and die from pneumonia have cause of death listed as cancer? And the people that had lung cancer(again for example) and caught covid and died have cause of death listed as covid?
Because that is not the way the cause of death is reported.

Pneumonia is the immediate cause of death in your cancer patient. The cancer would be a contributing cause.

The covid is the reason the lung cancer patient died when he did. It is the immediate cause of death.
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Old 05-29-2022, 02:46 AM
 
Location: Georgia, USA
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"Following Monday’s panel discussion on COVID vaccines and treatment protocols, led by Sen. Ron Johnson (R-Wis.), Renz summarized data obtained from the Defense Medical Epidemiology Database (DMED), the military’s longstanding epidemiological database of service members."

"Cancer increased 300% in 2021 over the previous five-year average."
"Miscarriages increased 300% in 2021 over the previous five-year average."
"Neurological disorders increased 1000% in 2021 over the past five-year average, increasing from 82,000 to 863,000 in one year."
Quoting RFK, Jr.'s antivax site is a red flag.

No, those increases did not happen. The database did not capture all diagnoses.

https://healthfeedback.org/claimrevi...a-thomas-renz/

https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/ant...vid-19-vaccine

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You have NO way of knowing that. Most that died could have died from a cold. CDC already admitting to lying about the deaths. They were allowed to say it was a COVID death IF THEY MIGHT HAVE HAD COVID. This was done as the federal government (our taxes) paid for the non-insured who had heart attacks, strokes, etc. and MIGHT HAVE HAD COVID at the time. Expand your horizons!
Even if they might have died from a different infection they still died from covid. The presumptive diagnosis was used initially when testing was often not available. Once the tests were available a positive test was require for diagnosis.

Even if someone is admitted for another reason, being infected with the virus increases costs of treatment because of additional isolation and personnel demands.


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Actually, that isn't true. In the studies, they found the effectiveness was very, very short, so much less effective than the 40 to 60% (one year only 10%) effective "jabs".
What studies are you referring to? Who are "they"?

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Yep, so you are like the other over 99% that did not and will not die of COVID. Sadly, those that chose the vaccine may well have increased their chances of dying of something else much sooner than they had expected!

"According to data analyst Albert Benavides, at least 10,000 reports of death or serious injury following COVID-19 vaccines were removed from the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System — and they were not duplicates."
More RFK, Jr. nonsense. The "deletions" never happened.

https://www.reuters.com/article/fact...-idUSL1N2P91JS


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Actually, most of the "deaths from COVID" weren't, and the CDC has come clean on some of that. Most of those that died had serious health issues, and any respiratory virus would have killed them.
The fact that they might have died had they gotten another infection does not mean they did not die from covid.

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No one knows what long term side effects will come about. Blood clots and autoimmune disease were expected, as they had not been mitigated prior to releasing the vaccine. Also, miscarriage risk was determined by studying 44 pregnant rats, so..................
What does "mitigated prior to releasing the vaccine" mean?

Miscarriage risk has been studied since release of the vaccines and no increased risk found.

https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-pers...3-studies-show

It is irresponsible to imply that the covid vaccines increase the risk of miscarriage. They do not, but covid increases the risk of bad outcome for the mother and baby.

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https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5906799/ The article is very long, but it quickly becomes evident that mRNA isn't just another "flu" vaccine.

" A possible concern could be that some mRNA-based vaccine platforms54,166 induce potent type I interferon responses, which have been associated not only with inflammation but also potentially with autoimmunity167,168..........Extracellular naked RNA has been shown to increase the permeability of tightly packed endothelial cells and may thus contribute to oedema169. Another study showed that extracellular RNA promoted blood coagulation and pathological thrombus formation170. Safety will therefore need continued evaluation as different mRNA modalities and delivery systems are utilized for the first time in humans and are tested in larger patient populations."
The covid vaccines do not generate extracellular RNA.

They have now been administered to a large population and a tiny percentage have had any serious adverse effects.

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"Pfizer deliberately excluded pregnant women from COVID-19 shot trials; the recommendation that the shots are safe and effective for pregnant women was based on a 42-day study involving 44 rats."
More from JFK, Jr.

Pregnant women are usually excluded from trials.

There is now post release info on the vaccine and pregnancy. See above.

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"Emergency calls for cardiac arrest and acute coronary syndrome increased more than 25% among 16- to 39-year-olds from January to May 2021, compared to the same time period in 2019 and 2020."
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-022-10928-z

"05 May 2022 Editor’s Note: Readers are alerted that the conclusions of this article are subject to criticisms that are being considered by the Editors. A further editorial response will follow once all parties have been given an opportunity to respond in full."

Anticipate a retraction.
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Old 05-29-2022, 08:27 AM
 
Location: My beloved Bluegrass
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"Emergency calls for cardiac arrest and acute coronary syndrome increased more than 25% among 16- to 39-year-olds from January to May 2021, compared to the same time period in 2019 and 2020."

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-022-10928-z

"05 May 2022 Editor’s Note: Readers are alerted that the conclusions of this article are subject to criticisms that are being considered by the Editors. A further editorial response will follow once all parties have been given an opportunity to respond in full."

Anticipate a retraction.
Either emergency calls for cardiac arrest and acute coronary syndrome increased more than 25% among 16- to 39-year-olds during the time period specified or it didn’t. That is called a fact. The authors’ conclusions about that fact are a separate discussion. It beyond ridiculous that the editors felt the need to stick that little blurb up there and is exactly my earlier point, we are no longer willing to consider alternative explanations and anyone daring to do so is subjected to the modern equivalency of the Spanish Inquisition and accused of heresy. Questioning is part of science, blind adherence without questioning is religion. Shame, shame, shame on those doing it.

If medicine had operated like that for the past 100 years I would not be alive today. Just think, if we had done it longer we wouldn’t be discussing this vaccine.
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Old 05-29-2022, 08:32 AM
 
Location: Georgia, USA
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Either emergency calls for cardiac arrest and acute coronary syndrome increased more than 25% among 16- to 39-year-olds during the time period specified or it didn’t. That is called a fact. The authors’ conclusions about that fact are a separate discussion. It beyond ridiculous that the editors felt the need to stick that little blurb up there and is exactly my earlier point, we are no longer willing to consider alternative explanations and anyone daring to do so is subjected to the modern equivalency of the Spanish Inquisition and accused of heresy. Questioning is part of science, blind adherence without questioning is religion. Shame, shame, shame on those doing it.

If medicine had operated like that for the past 100 years I would not be alive today. Just think, if we had done it longer we wouldn’t be discussing this vaccine.
The editors would not have added the disclaimer if they had not received credible criticism.
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Old 05-29-2022, 08:34 AM
 
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Quoting RFK, Jr.'s antivax site is a red flag.

No, those increases did not happen. The database did not capture all diagnoses.

https://healthfeedback.org/claimrevi...a-thomas-renz/

https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/ant...vid-19-vaccine



Even if they might have died from a different infection they still died from covid. The presumptive diagnosis was used initially when testing was often not available. Once the tests were available a positive test was require for diagnosis.

Even if someone is admitted for another reason, being infected with the virus increases costs of treatment because of additional isolation and personnel demands.




What studies are you referring to? Who are "they"?



More RFK, Jr. nonsense. The "deletions" never happened.

https://www.reuters.com/article/fact...-idUSL1N2P91JS




The fact that they might have died had they gotten another infection does not mean they did not die from covid.



What does "mitigated prior to releasing the vaccine" mean?

Miscarriage risk has been studied since release of the vaccines and no increased risk found.

https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-pers...3-studies-show

It is irresponsible to imply that the covid vaccines increase the risk of miscarriage. They do not, but covid increases the risk of bad outcome for the mother and baby.



The covid vaccines do not generate extracellular RNA.

They have now been administered to a large population and a tiny percentage have had any serious adverse effects.



More from JFK, Jr.

Pregnant women are usually excluded from trials.

There is now post release info on the vaccine and pregnancy. See above.



https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-022-10928-z

"05 May 2022 Editor’s Note: Readers are alerted that the conclusions of this article are subject to criticisms that are being considered by the Editors. A further editorial response will follow once all parties have been given an opportunity to respond in full."

Anticipate a retraction.
I know another person whose contributions are a red flag
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Old 05-29-2022, 08:36 AM
 
Location: My beloved Bluegrass
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The editors would not have added the disclaimer if they had not received credible criticism.
Yes, they would have due to pressure, I have seen this more in the last three years than in the last 20+ combined, and that’s the problem.
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Old 05-29-2022, 08:46 AM
 
Location: A safe distance from San Francisco
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Originally Posted by Oldhag1 View Post
Either emergency calls for cardiac arrest and acute coronary syndrome increased more than 25% among 16- to 39-year-olds during the time period specified or it didn’t. That is called a fact. The authors’ conclusions about that fact are a separate discussion. It beyond ridiculous that the editors felt the need to stick that little blurb up there and is exactly my earlier point, we are no longer willing to consider alternative explanations and anyone daring to do so is subjected to the modern equivalency of the Spanish Inquisition and accused of heresy. Questioning is part of science, blind adherence without questioning is religion. Shame, shame, shame on those doing it.

If medicine had operated like that for the past 100 years I would not be alive today. Just think, if we had done it longer we wouldn’t be discussing this vaccine.
Excellent! Regrettable that I can't rep you again.
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Old 05-29-2022, 08:48 AM
 
Location: colorado springs, CO
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i suspect the "explosion" in cancer diagnoses will eventually be explained in future studies due to people putting off doctor visits, blood tests, and regular screening tests (mammos and colonoscopies for example) for 2 years during the pandemic rather than the covid vaccine.
Yes, just like the explosion of cancer rates between the 1960's-1990's in the Boomers from the SV40 contaminated Polio vaccine was blamed on "downwind/downstream" industrial pollution.

Funny how the latency period of each cancer corresponded to the mass immunization campaign. Medulloblastomas in the children during the 1960's. Osteosarcomas in the adolescents in the 1970s & Non- Hodgkins Lymphoma in the adults in the 1990s.

Those "clusters" were actually areas that got the hot lots. Had little to do with power lines or polluted ground water.

Now we know the full length spike protein generated by the covid vaccines inhibits DNA damage repair & stays in the body for 60 days, each dose. DNA damage repair is what stops tumor formation. If it's inhibited, cancer grows. People with 4 doses could have incurred 240 days of tumor cell replication going unchecked. By 2023 we may be seeing the consequences & it's just so incomprehensible that this was known in 2021 but nothing was done.
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Old 05-29-2022, 09:26 AM
 
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They made a logical reasonable point and you yelled "Big Pharma" as some sort of rebuttal which it is not.

Again, can you direct me to where the data is on the increase in cancer etc? I'm not going to wade through 3 links or youtube videos etc. should be available readily since the conclusion of "explosion of cancer" has been reached.
Data on cancer, too bad we cant get this direct database access in other statess than Massachusetts.
It could be the adenovirus vaccine will turn out to be the safest, especially if taken with a blood thinner
https://twitter.com/ClareCraigPath/s...11973508354055
https://twitter.com/ClareCraigPath/s...14086651383808
https://coquindechien.substack.com/p...nths?sd=fs&s=r



All cause mortality in general has not looked good since the vaccine rollout
https://twitter.com/fieldofgreeninc/...06612803850240
https://twitter.com/Katarina1970/sta...15502431535104
https://twitter.com/jengleruk/status...28838353055744
https://twitter.com/ProjectTabs/stat...01080274374656



Accounts on twitter following the data
https://twitter.com/ClareCraigPath
https://twitter.com/JesslovesMJK
https://twitter.com/EthicalSkeptic
https://twitter.com/TexasLindsay
https://twitter.com/andrewbostom
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Old 05-29-2022, 09:28 AM
 
Location: A safe distance from San Francisco
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Yes, just like the explosion of cancer rates between the 1960's-1990's in the Boomers from the SV40 contaminated Polio vaccine was blamed on "downwind/downstream" industrial pollution.

Funny how the latency period of each cancer corresponded to the mass immunization campaign. Medulloblastomas in the children during the 1960's. Osteosarcomas in the adolescents in the 1970s & Non- Hodgkins Lymphoma in the adults in the 1990s.

Those "clusters" were actually areas that got the hot lots. Had little to do with power lines or polluted ground water.

Now we know the full length spike protein generated by the covid vaccines inhibits DNA damage repair & stays in the body for 60 days, each dose. DNA damage repair is what stops tumor formation. If it's inhibited, cancer grows. People with 4 doses could have incurred 240 days of tumor cell replication going unchecked. By 2023 we may be seeing the consequences & it's just so incomprehensible that this was known in 2021 but nothing was done.
Thank you, Christine! Another outstanding contribution that I must owe you the rep for.

Yep, nothing was done and we keep asking WHY. The answer seems inescapable and clearer every day. It was an opportunity seized to end fair and legitimate elections for good with "mail-in" balloting via a years-long pandemic. Never again would the left have to worry about losing their control - of everything. Never again would the people be in charge or even have a voice.

Just one example....we're told now that the entire county's electric grid is under crisis threat for the summer due to capitulation to the agenda of the "climate change" carbon-police lunatics. Never could have happened but for the pandemic and the political surrender that soon followed.
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