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But certainly we need to re-examine prescribing SSRI’s to those under age 26, as well as the myriad ADHD meds, often starting at age 6. Low dose mood stabilizers for example can be prescribed off-label for depression without the risks that SSRIs have. More research is being done into electrical brain stimulation, the brain-gut connection, and so forth.
This doesnt really sound like a solution or something leading to a solution. Not that it is a bad thing, better treatment for mental health disorders is always a good thing. But I would imagine anyone who would perform a school shooting is also probably someone who had issues that would lead to them being prescribed medication. That doesnt mean the medication caused it.
So the problem is mental health... (It really isn't), so what are we going to do about it? When are we going to start taking mental health seriously, and start funding treatment, and stop vilifying mental illness so that we can stop all these shootings? The 1979 San Diego school shooting was a looooooong time ago, and here we are still talking about mental health, but not really doing anything serious about it. As a matter of fact, when we TRY to do something serious (like Social emotional learning, etc), people come out and attack it, saying it's indoctrination, etc. So when are we actually going to do something about it? When are we going to fund it? When are we going to take it seriously?
This doesnt really sound like a solution or something leading to a solution. Not that it is a bad thing, better treatment for mental health disorders is always a good thing. But I would imagine anyone who would perform a school shooting is also probably someone who had issues that would lead to them being prescribed medication. That doesnt mean the medication caused it.
Of course, correlation isn’t necessarily causation. But the link in this case is evident, which is why there is a big black box warning people about them. SSRI’s cause violent reactions in non-violent people. That is a fact.
If 18 out of 20 mass shooters are on SSRI’s, examining the role of the brain altering medication is a better solution that trying to take guns away from tens of millions of law abiding citizens.
Furthermore, it is evident you didn’t read the article I linked. It is useless discussing the issue with you until you read the article.
Of course, correlation isn’t necessarily causation. But the link in this case is evident, which is why there is a big black box warning people about them. SSRI’s cause violent reactions in non-violent people. That is a fact.
If 18 out of 20 mass shooters are on SSRI’s, examining the role of the brain altering medication is a better solution that trying to take guns away from tens of millions of law abiding citizens.
Furthermore, it is evident you didn’t read the article I linked. It is useless discussing the issue with you until you read the article.
it isnt a great article but ultimately it is a guy (who I couldnt figure out what his qualifications were) saying that SSRI's may increase aggression. Why was it so important to read that article? The guy doesnt seem in any way clininal so he is just presenting things in his own preferred way and sometimes gives you a little more detail when it appears to work for him or only gives you a quick "statistic" without support. He even cites individual examples which seems silly but I guess he feels he is dealing with a relatively simple audience.
I dont really see how a solution comes out of what you are talking about. Even if you could blame the medication, it is still a small % of the group, you are going to take this category of medication from many millions of people for the tiny % of mass shooters?
of course the usual talking heads and political leaders get on air and scream for more gun laws.
I am a kid of the 70s/80s. We did not have these issues back then. If we did, it was extremely rare and the shooter had MENTAL and/or EMOTIONAL issues. When are we as a nation going to look and see what has changed in the last 40 years? We had weaker gun laws back then and did not have shooting like this.
Happened to my neighbor across the street who was going to shoot up the local high school.
Luckily his friend called the police in time and stopped it. Story made world news
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So what if they have greater access to electronics? How does that make a childhood more dangerous? That is simply a matter of older people associating new things with negativity. I enjoyed a relatively carefree childhood as did most children but there was plenty of bullying of various sorts, plenty. Now there is some online bullying but that is just a new wrinkle on an old problem not an indication of a greater problem. I look back at attitudes during my childhood regarding how children treated one another and the attitudes I see in my children today and they seem to have a much better attitude about it then what we did growing up.
it isnt a great article but ultimately it is a guy (who I couldnt figure out what his qualifications were) saying that SSRI's may increase aggression. Why was it so important to read that article? The guy doesnt seem in any way clininal so he is just presenting things in his own preferred way and sometimes gives you a little more detail when it appears to work for him or only gives you a quick "statistic" without support. He even cites individual examples which seems silly but I guess he feels he is dealing with a relatively simple audience.
For one thing, the article has hyperlinks that take you to studies conducted in multiple countries. I guess the language needs to be obscure for you to be impressed?
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Even if you could blame the medication, it is still a small % of the group, you are going to take this category of medication from many millions of people for the tiny % of mass shooters?
Think about what you are saying, geez.
YOU apparently want to take guns from many millions of people because of the tiny percentage of mass shooters.
Why is it OK to take away firearms but not extremely dangerous medication?
screaming knee jerk reactions "more gun laws" isn't solving anything. It seems the left only wants to cure the symptom and not the cause
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So the problem is mental health... (It really isn't), so what are we going to do about it? When are we going to start taking mental health seriously, and start funding treatment, and stop vilifying mental illness so that we can stop all these shootings? The 1979 San Diego school shooting was a looooooong time ago, and here we are still talking about mental health, but not really doing anything serious about it. As a matter of fact, when we TRY to do something serious (like Social emotional learning, etc), people come out and attack it, saying it's indoctrination, etc. So when are we actually going to do something about it? When are we going to fund it? When are we going to take it seriously?
That happened in my home town. My parent's postwoman was killed. That was 1986. We had the McDonald's San Ysidro shooting and several others in the 1980s. Luby's cafeteria got shot up in Killeen, Tx in 1991.
The mass shooting thing seemed to start with those events in the '80s.
To me, the mass shooting incidents started at the Texas Tower shooting in 1965, which killed 14. The guy who did it had mental health issues.
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