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If the 2nd amendment were actually obeyed and upheld as written, would we be mourning 19 dead children and 2 dead teachers today?
As I have pointed out before in this forum, if all law-abiding adults were allowed to carry a gun as the 2nd amendment requires, most of them wouldn't bother, of course. Most teachers and other staff at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, TX would not have been carrying when a teenaged madman started shooting on May 24.
But there's a good chance that a few would.
If a few adults have been carrying at the school, would we be mourning 21 dead children and staff now? It is likely that the story would be very different.
Especially if it were generally known that all adults everywhere were allowed to, and would face no charges if they did.... but nobody knew if Mr. Johnson in the math dept. had a gun, or Counselor Harrison, or Custodian Smith, or Coach Imelda. Or even Mrs. Mather who was walking her dog outside the fence, who had been mugged two years ago and now always carried a gun in her purse, and did regular range and safety training.
Maybe even the teenaged madman would have heard that they were all allowed to carry... but he didn't know how many were actually carrying, or who they were. Would he have committed the deeds he did on May 24, if he could be reasonable sure that he was likely to get a bullet or two coming his way, from unknown direction(s), less than a minute after his first shot?
He might have realized that he was never going to be able to rack up the huge body count he was hoping for, and there would be no lurid headlines screaming for weeks (months) after the cops killed him.
Even a madman might have thought twice about committing his crimes in the first place.
Presto, no need to mourn 19 dead children and 2 staff.
Obviously, the various schemes we put in place after every mass shooting in the last few decades, are not working.
Maybe we should give the 2nd amendment a chance? And actually obey it as written?
Don't we owe the next 19 schoolchildren that chance? Our "solutions" so far have given them no chance at all.
No other adults have been mentioned in any of the stories I've seen, except in passing where teachers locked their classrooms as quickly as they could once they realized what the situation was.
You would probably have had fifty more dead, when the parents arrived and cleared out the cops who were keeping them out of the building and the other 19 inside standing there with their collective thumb stuck where the sun don't shine. What a pathetic bunch of cowards those "police" are.
GOP - Teachers are perverts who are "grooming" our children for pedophilia.
Also GOP - We should arm teachers.
Last week the teachers were all Godless Socialist Liberals who were corrupting children by teaching them the facts about the racist history of the United States and teaching them facts about gender and sexuality, today they want to arm them.
It is much more comfortable and politically expedient for politicians who are owned by the gun lobbies to pay lip service to more guns, knowing full well arming teachers will never happen and leaving the children to fend for themselves again the next time.
Last week the teachers were all Godless Socialist Liberals who were corrupting children by teaching them the facts about the racist history of the United States, today they want to arm them.
It is much more comfortable and politically expedient for politicians who are owned by the gun lobbies to pay lip service to more guns knowing full well arming teachers will never happen and leaving the children to fend for themselves again the next time.
Who said all teachers?
If folks want racist garbage taught to their kids they can send them to schools that teach it. It’s great to have choices.
Teachers will obviously have a choice whether to be armed or not. Again, great to have choices. How do you know teachers won’t arm themselves?
Put an officer or member of military personnel in each school and keep the doors locked at all times, but Dems are against law enforcement in schools because they cry it’s racist. https://www.forbes.com/sites/wesleyw...h=56d927d8cc97
What do you mean obey? You mean making it mandatory to own a gun?
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Originally Posted by Leo58
If all teachers had guns, how many kids would be killed by accident, or by a teacher that goes berserk, or by a kid who knew he could get a gun out of teachers desk drawer. That’s got to be the stupidest idea yet!
Didn't even read the OP, did we?
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Originally Posted by cuebald
Last week the teachers were all Godless Socialist Liberals who were corrupting children by teaching them the facts about the racist history of the United States and teaching them facts about gender and sexuality, today they want to arm them.
It is much more comfortable and politically expedient for politicians who are owned by the gun lobbies to pay lip service to more guns, knowing full well arming teachers will never happen and leaving the children to fend for themselves again the next time.
If folks want racist garbage taught to their kids they can send them to schools that teach it. It’s great to have choices.
Teachers will obviously have a choice whether to be armed or not. Again, great to have choices. How do you know teachers won’t arm themselves?
Put an officer or member of military personnel in each school and keep the doors locked at all times, but Dems are against law enforcement in schools because they cry it’s racist. https://www.forbes.com/sites/wesleyw...h=56d927d8cc97
You mean the truth about the role of the European White Men in colonizing America by killing the natives, stealing their land and bringing in slaves from Africa to do the labor? You would be absolutely spot on in your assessment.
There were armed police at Robb Elementary School who served no purpose except to keep the parents out of the school, and 19 more inside diddling themselves while the gunman finished his massacre. "Law enforcement" was once more shown to be nothing but a bunch of craven cowards, on the same order as the SRO at Parkland who hid outside until the shooting was done. Why would you want them at all if they are as useless as a second navel...?
You mean the truth about the role of the European White Men in colonizing America by killing the natives, stealing their land and bringing in slaves from Africa to do the labor? You would be absolutely spot on in your assessment.
There were armed police at Robb Elementary School who served no purpose except to keep the parents out of the school, and 19 more inside diddling themselves while the gunman finished his massacre. "Law enforcement" was once more shown to be nothing but a bunch of craven cowards, on the same order as the SRO at Parkland who hid outside until the shooting was done. Why would you want them at all if they are as useless as a second navel...?
Nah, it’s about teaching children that everything that white folks do and have done is racist and why everything is the way it is today. Racist folks can teach that in the home or send their kids to schools that teach it.
Lol. You’re assuming all law enforcement are as you’re describing…and your logic is obviously if it didn’t work this time it won’t work in the future. However, I suggested keeping all doors locked and having an officer of military personnel inside the school, and proved that Dems don’t want that because they insist it’s racism. So instead, they’re crying about the police not doing their job, yet don’t want them in the schools. Hence inviting it to continue to happen.
If the 2nd amendment were actually obeyed and upheld as written, would we be mourning 19 dead children and 2 dead teachers today?
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Interesting Point...
Do Mass Murders (MM) pick a group of ppl to attack because they KNOW there's no defense against their murderous actions?
Does a MM have fear of 'getting shot' by a gun-wielding bystander?
Do MM pick their targets KNOWING their targets are not prepared to defend themselves guaranteeing Mass Carnage and renowned Reputation TO the MM?
Many believe that MM commit public spectacles to gain attention and notoriety...a Sick 'Narcissistic' Self-importance Cry to the World. “Hey, look at me, this is what the world has done to me...here is my Revenge”
IN FACT, there have been numerous papers written on the subject of ‘Narcissistic Revenge’ ~ Could a Toxic Narcissist ‘Risk being Killed in the execution of his plan?’
ANSWER; I don’t think a Toxic Narcissist would risk the embarrassment and loss.
SO I BELIEVE You are correct in your assumption.
NOTE: The Israel system of daily preparation of Terrorism is one of the reasons Israel Thrives in spite of being the hot-bed of Terrorism Plots and attacks.
If the 2nd amendment were actually obeyed and upheld as written, would we be mourning 19 dead children and 2 dead teachers today?
As I have pointed out before in this forum, if all law-abiding adults were allowed to carry a gun as the 2nd amendment requires, most of them wouldn't bother, of course. Most teachers and other staff at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, TX would not have been carrying when a teenaged madman started shooting on May 24.
But there's a good chance that a few would.
If a few adults have been carrying at the school, would we be mourning 21 dead children and staff now? It is likely that the story would be very different.
Especially if it were generally known that all adults everywhere were allowed to, and would face no charges if they did.... but nobody knew if Mr. Johnson in the math dept. had a gun, or Counselor Harrison, or Custodian Smith, or Coach Imelda. Or even Mrs. Mather who was walking her dog outside the fence, who had been mugged two years ago and now always carried a gun in her purse, and did regular range and safety training.
Maybe even the teenaged madman would have heard that they were all allowed to carry... but he didn't know how many were actually carrying, or who they were. Would he have committed the deeds he did on May 24, if he could be reasonable sure that he was likely to get a bullet or two coming his way, from unknown direction(s), less than a minute after his first shot?
He might have realized that he was never going to be able to rack up the huge body count he was hoping for, and there would be no lurid headlines screaming for weeks (months) after the cops killed him.
Even a madman might have thought twice about committing his crimes in the first place.
Presto, no need to mourn 19 dead children and 2 staff.
Obviously, the various schemes we put in place after every mass shooting in the last few decades, are not working.
Maybe we should give the 2nd amendment a chance? And actually obey it as written?
Don't we owe the next 19 schoolchildren that chance? Our "solutions" so far have given them no chance at all.
Texas has open and concealed carry without a permit and gives teachers the ability to be armed in school, so your question is sort of irrelevant to the Uvalde situation.
Dumbest thing ever written by Heinlein, and that's saying something.
You live in an extremely armed society. Also one where it's a useful survival tactic for an 11-year old to smear herself with the blood of her friend and play dead.
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