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Old 05-28-2022, 10:17 PM
 
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Just like after 9-11, secure the perimeter.

In Texas, a teacher left a door open to get a cell phone. Make that impossible. Have doors open and close, time controlled, like a bank vault. Exception would be fire exits, of course.

Have 4 armed LEOs/school by 2 doors with a security code to allow for entering or exiting of staff other than the remote controlled times. All entrance doors should have bulletproof glass, btw.

In 1996, one night late for a flight I literally ran through a major airport, w/o a security check. Checks back then were untrained staff opening a suitcase-Mickey Mouse. It would have been easy then to get to a tarmac unchecked. UGH! We wised up after 9-11, and airports are ultra secure now.

We can do the same with schools if we have the will.

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiep...tings-n2607834
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Old 05-28-2022, 10:20 PM
 
Location: Indiana
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He's not wrong. Also, this is all the more reason for homeschooling.
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Old 05-29-2022, 05:10 AM
 
Location: Seacoast NH
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Just like after 9-11, secure the perimeter.

In Texas, a teacher left a door open to get a cell phone. Make that impossible. Have doors open and close, time controlled, like a bank vault. Exception would be fire exits, of course.

Have 4 armed LEOs/school by 2 doors with a security code to allow for entering or exiting of staff other than the remote controlled times. All entrance doors should have bulletproof glass, btw.

In 1996, one night late for a flight I literally ran through a major airport, w/o a security check. Checks back then were untrained staff opening a suitcase-Mickey Mouse. It would have been easy then to get to a tarmac unchecked. UGH! We wised up after 9-11, and airports are ultra secure now.

We can do the same with schools if we have the will.

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiep...tings-n2607834



When the system works the way it should, yes we are. But people get sneakier everyday and we still have stupid people. Just last week or the week before, TSA at Logan Airport found 5 handguns trying to go through carry on screening. I wonder how many more they found country wide??



At my son's high school (he's been out of school since 2010) the doors were locked during school hours and if you needed access to the school, you had to be buzzed in by the office staff after showing them ID and giving them the name of your child. It was a system that worked and is easily put in place now - during summer vacation.
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Old 05-29-2022, 05:21 AM
 
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The one thing we did after 9/11 that really worked was fortifying the cockpit doors on aircraft. The TSA is 99% useless security theater IMO.

As for schools, there are about 100,000 public and 30,000 private schools in the USA, many with more than one building. Having 4 full time guards at each building plus the infrastructure changes to harden the campus is going to be, well, you do the math. And when that's done, those poor, disaffected youths and their AR pattern rifles are going to have to find someplace else to shoot up. How difficult will that be?

I don't have any easy answers, but I don't think this is the solution. We harden the schools, then what? On to the next target which will never stop moving.
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Old 05-29-2022, 05:23 AM
 
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Just a few hours spent thinking about the problem will let some violent Nut come up with a workaround, guarantee it.
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Old 05-29-2022, 06:30 AM
 
Location: Pennsylvania
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Just a few hours spent thinking about the problem will let some violent Nut come up with a workaround, guarantee it.
You sound like one of those "WALL'S DON'T WORK" people.
Just like a WALL keeps out almost all illegals.....beefing up security at schools will stop almost all shootings.
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Old 05-29-2022, 06:39 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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We have over 24,000 schools so that would mean a force of 100,000 officers. It's not just about visitors to high schools, they have fire drills, recess, lunch time outdoor sports activities. Most schools in the US have upgraded to bullet proof glass and doors, many have armed the teachers and resource officers. None of that has worked and is simply a deflection from reasonable restrictions on our gun problem.

Devote more resources to security in a nation with declining math, English and science scores makes little sense. How about addressing the disease rather than the symptom.
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Old 05-29-2022, 06:42 AM
 
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If you think about how vulnerable a typical school is it's mind blowing. Bring all the children in the area to one facility that often doesn't have the budget to paint or fix the air conditioners.

If we are going to bring all the children together to ONE place every day, then I suggest we make that facility very secure.

My plan would be a security wall/fence around the school and check every person and package entering the school for weapons. Gun free zone.

Or an alternate way of teaching? Children do not need to learn math, science, social studies together. What they need is to learn how to SOCIALIZE together. Learn how to interact, work, play, and be friends. Very little of this is actually taught.

Another suggestion I have is that every young male from 14-21 will get free counseling. No more loners playing video games all day.
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Old 05-29-2022, 06:58 AM
 
Location: A safe distance from San Francisco
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The public school system in its current state is a cultural liability....hasn't been an asset for many, many years. Turning schools into armed fortresses is a big step in the wrong direction.

Close them. They probably made good sense in 1880, but their time has come and long gone.

Guns are far too accessible to far too many. Putting an end to that is action long overdue.
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Old 05-29-2022, 06:59 AM
 
Location: Cape Cod
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Did the Texas shooter target that school specifically or was it a case where he crashed the stolen truck nearby and he went to it. If the door had been locked would he have moved on to another target?



We lock our houses, we lock our cars, we lock up our valuables. A lock is the first line of defense and it is so simple.



I think the open door at that school allowed the shooter his opportunity. An open window could have done the same thing.



The guy was an angry loser, deranged enough to shoot his grandmother but I think the school was just an opportunity. If not for that open door he probably would have moved on to another "soft" target down the road.



Imagine the guilt the person is feeling that left that door ajar....
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