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Old 07-02-2022, 11:51 PM
 
Location: Auckland, New Zealand
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"There are only a few laws in history that are universally applicable. One of these is that the ruling classes do not want the peasantry armed. They will do what they can to convince you that to be armed is dangerous. They will attempt to do this while they themselves are surrounded by armed body guards. Idiots will not notice this hypocrisy and sycophants will ignore it. Fools will surrender their arms in the name of "safety". They will insensibly surrender their liberty at the same time. This is how slaves are made."
When one doesn't have a second amendment, how does one resist gun seizures?

See how it works. Government passes a law making gun possession illegal with a penalty of several years in prison for non compliance. Ok so the average law abiding citizen says no. Fine. Nothing happens. Until that is, the KGB come a-knocking at 3 am. And they don't knock with their knuckles. They knock your door down! (They could have knocked but they don't). They arrest you and you are gone. See what I mean? Their is no group resistance. No-one stands up for you. You are alone and they are relentless.

Those tactics worked in a number of countries that fell to dictators, many of those dictators being Marxists.
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Old 07-03-2022, 12:14 AM
 
Location: Auckland, New Zealand
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Most of us in the real world don’t worry about being armed to prevent the tyranny..

Best address your displeasure with the government is to vote.
That's how tyranny happens. Most of you folks in the real world don’t worry about it. Until it's too late.

Did the Germans know what was happening? Did the Russians know what was happening? Or the Chinese? Maybe they just didn't worry about tyranny. You know? In the real world. See, the problem is that in the real world, stuff does happen. China, Russia, Germany, second world war - heck - first world war! Look what was going on in Argentina not all that long ago. But it's all over the planet.

So what I'm getting at is, don't think it can't or won't happen to you. Because stuff happens! Remember when we thought the world was all hunky dory? The covid struck. Then came inflation and shortages then the Dems 'won' the election and, George Floyd became a hero .... open borders ....

You know what termites are, right? They destroy a stable structure from within. Slowly and quietly until the cracks start to appear, then it accelerates and the structure is destroyed.

But in the real world, no-one notices. No-one worries about it.
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Old 07-03-2022, 02:37 AM
 
Location: Habsburg Lands of Old
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What's truly disturbing about these measures is that even in the famously restrictive of firearms UK , one only needs 1 or 2 references in order to obtain a firearm or shotgun certificate :

https://www.gov.uk/shotgun-and-firearm-certificates


In other words in this aspect New York state is more restrictive than the United Kingdom concerning its firearms laws , in spite of the recent Supreme Court ruling .

While I do recall arguing in favor of individual states retaining their right to implement may issue carry schemes a month or so ago on grounds of states' rights , I've since rescinded that position since there really is no reason why states shouldn't be required to implement properly run shall issue carry schemes for their citizens if they do not favor a constitutional carry scheme .

In short the fact that New York state can't seem to take a page out of the Czech Republic's book concerning concealed carry is rather worrying , especially in light of the fact that unlike the Czech Republic it never was in the throes of a proper totalitarian dictatorship .
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Old 07-03-2022, 02:42 AM
 
Location: Habsburg Lands of Old
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When one doesn't have a second amendment, how does one resist gun seizures?

See how it works. Government passes a law making gun possession illegal with a penalty of several years in prison for non compliance. Ok so the average law abiding citizen says no. Fine. Nothing happens. Until that is, the KGB come a-knocking at 3 am. And they don't knock with their knuckles. They knock your door down! (They could have knocked but they don't). They arrest you and you are gone. See what I mean? Their is no group resistance. No-one stands up for you. You are alone and they are relentless.

Those tactics worked in a number of countries that fell to dictators, many of those dictators being Marxists.

While I'm obviously not in the least anti Second Amendment , the truth is that ultimately it's not a constitutional amendment that can save a populace from tyranny , but the belief in the right of resistance/revolution that is accordingly acted upon when necessary .

Gun confiscation in those particular countries you are alluding to only worked because the populace as a whole acquiesced , therefore any amount of well written constitutional amendments are essentially worthless if the populace acquiesces to tyrannical demands .
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Old 07-03-2022, 05:06 AM
 
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400 million guns and 330 million citizens, no surprise that many fall into the wrong hands.

So how does removing them from the right hands help?
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Old 07-03-2022, 05:21 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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That's how tyranny happens. Most of you folks in the real world don’t worry about it. Until it's too late.

Did the Germans know what was happening? Did the Russians know what was happening? Or the Chinese? Maybe they just didn't worry about tyranny. You know? In the real world. See, the problem is that in the real world, stuff does happen. China, Russia, Germany, second world war - heck - first world war! Look what was going on in Argentina not all that long ago. But it's all over the planet.

So what I'm getting at is, don't think it can't or won't happen to you. Because stuff happens! Remember when we thought the world was all hunky dory? The covid struck. Then came inflation and shortages then the Dems 'won' the election and, George Floyd became a hero .... open borders ....

You know what termites are, right? They destroy a stable structure from within. Slowly and quietly until the cracks start to appear, then it accelerates and the structure is destroyed.

But in the real world, no-one notices. No-one worries about it.
How do other civilized countries survive without a 2nd amendment. SCOTUS already ruled that concealed carry must be allowed but now there is this fury over a more stringent permitting process. You can still own a gun, the 2nd amendment is still in place and the government isn't going to start rounding up the 400 million guns.
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Old 07-03-2022, 05:23 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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So how does removing them from the right hands help?
Thye aren't removing anything but there are many careless gun owners that lose guns every day.
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Old 07-03-2022, 05:31 AM
 
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Thye aren't removing anything but there are many careless gun owners that lose guns every day.

The statement was: Less guns=less gun deaths.


Since that implies removing guns from the equation and the only guns you can remove are from law abiding citizens (through confiscation or impossible to comply with regulations) I ask again:
How does removing guns from law abiding citizens hands help?
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Old 07-03-2022, 05:53 AM
 
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The new requirements include:

Re-certification will be required every 3 years instead of the current 5 years
16 hours of classroom training
2 hours of live-fire training
Written exam with a score of at least 80%
Applicants would need to meet with ‘licensing officer’ for an interview
Provide names, ages and contact info for members of their household
....The Left Wing -- shredding the US Constitution since 1964, or earlier.
Sounds like they'll be breaking 10 other amendments in an effort to recoup what they lost with the one...~

Does anyone know of Non-profits that protect the Rights of Conservatives in their respective states?

Anyone?

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Old 07-03-2022, 06:04 AM
 
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More guns = more deaths
There is presently available large amounts of information that directly counter this claim (all proven facts).

Enough data has been collected to determine that Legal Gun Ownership saves lifes.

However, Religious Fanatic Leftoids will never hear nor see the truth (they are brain-washed fanatics). Like the Rob Dressed Church Monk passing out Religious Tracks, so is the Leftoid who spreads repeated lies in a attempt to skew the truth!

https://www.heritage.org/firearms/co...lives-property

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