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Old 07-15-2022, 08:26 AM
 
Location: Retired in VT; previously MD & NJ
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But, Texas already has a law that states an abortion is acceptable if it is necessary to save the life of the mother. In fact, all fifty state have this.

The only reason the Biden Administration did this was to "appear" like they "did" something, even though Texas law allowed for this...
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So then why is Texas suing? To “appear” like they “did” something back?
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Old 07-15-2022, 08:26 AM
 
Location: Honolulu/DMV Area/NYC
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Texas law already allows for the procedure to save the life of the mother, so that clearly isn't why the state objects to the fed's efforts here. Like many things, this lawsuit is about the proper and lawful role of the feds in this matter.
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Old 07-15-2022, 08:28 AM
 
Location: SF/Mill Valley
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But, Texas already has a law that states an abortion is acceptable if it is necessary to save the life of the mother.
Yes, after the condition has already deteriorated i.e. ‘to save a life’; hence the need for the reminder regarding the Emergency Medical Treatment and Labor Act. Obviously, if it was something which the State was already adhering to, there would be no need for Texas to sue. :-)
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Old 07-15-2022, 08:28 AM
 
Location: The Piedmont of North Carolina
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Nope! The Supreme Court ruled that the issue of abortion is a state issue. Texas is suing to stop federal government overreach!
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Old 07-15-2022, 08:29 AM
 
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Yes, after the condition has already deteriorated i.e. ‘to save a life’; hence the need for the reminder regarding the Emergency Medical Treatment and Labor Act. Obviously, if it was something which the State was already adhering to, there would be no need for Texas to sue. :-)
I'd like to see your evidence to support that as it isn't true.
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Old 07-15-2022, 08:33 AM
 
Location: The Piedmont of North Carolina
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Yes, after the condition has already deteriorated i.e. ‘to save a life’; hence the need for the reminder regarding the Emergency Medical Treatment and Labor Act. Obviously, if it was something which the State was already adhering to, there would be no need for Texas to sue. :-)
Texas was already adhering to it, as their own law stipulates this.

Texas does not want to tolerate federal government overreach, hence the lawsuit. Progressives are mad at the President for "not doing anything" about abortion. To use a phrase from my friends on the left, this was a "dog whistle" for the pro-abortion crowd.

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Old 07-15-2022, 08:44 AM
 
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I'd like to see your evidence to support that as it isn't true.
Given that Texas is suing over the enforcement of the Emergency Medical Treatment and Labor Act should be sufficient evidence in and of itself. Texas clearly disagrees with the guidelines set forth in such relative to an earlier consideration/treatment of emergency care prior to the point a woman’s health has deteriorated to that of taking measures to ‘save a life’. Else, there would be no need to sue - yes?
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Old 07-15-2022, 09:06 AM
 
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So Texas is suing for the right to let women die? So much for being "pro-life"...

What next Texas? Are you going to sue because someone might force you to fix your electrical grid or have fair voting policies?
And the Choir sings …. Texas hates women! Texas wants women to die! Good grief, you people are so shameless, it’s sickening.

What this is about, is what it’s ALWAYS about … leftwing conniving dishonesty, and another example of dealing from the bottom of the deck, as usual.

No one takes issue with engaging whatever medical steps are necessary to save the life of a pregnant woman. So, for the overwhelming majority of pro-life people, there has always been a consensus that the life of the mother is sacrosanct.

What we reject is the dishonesty in attaching the caveat of “health” added to when the life (or health) of the mother …. Blah,blah,blah.

Pregnancy has an impact on health, and that’s an inescapable reality. Therefore, adding the term “health” totally negates the need for the term “life”. Might as well just remove it. And this is typical the of liberal left’s dishonesty. The term “health” can cover virtually anything, and has no specific meaning, which also means that anything can be claimed as justification for an abortion. Risk of infection, for example. There is always a risk of infection ……… a paper cut can be at risk for infection, and thereby a threat to health.

So, it’s just another transparent fraud from the same usual suspects who seem incapable of anything else.

How about this … let’s make abortion available and unrestricted to all, and paid for by the government on every day that doesn’t end in Y ?
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Old 07-15-2022, 09:12 AM
 
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Nope! The Supreme Court ruled that the issue of abortion is a state issue. Texas is suing to stop federal government overreach!
The federal law requiring medical care in emergencies has been on the books for many years. It is not new. It is a LAW and did not come from the Supreme Court case. Federal law has always taken precedence over state law.
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Old 07-15-2022, 09:53 AM
 
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Given that Texas is suing over the enforcement of the Emergency Medical Treatment and Labor Act should be sufficient evidence in and of itself. Texas clearly disagrees with the guidelines set forth in such relative to an earlier consideration/treatment of emergency care prior to the point a woman’s health has deteriorated to that of taking measures to ‘save a life’. Else, there would be no need to sue - yes?
Often, lay people don’t understand the mine field of legal hooks embedded in legal language, but sometimes the hooks are too obvious, but only to the portion of people who have maintained the ability to think, which describes a group growing smaller as each day passes.

The left employs these dishonest tactics in all of their agendas being pushed. Gun control is one such topic that illustrates this perfectly, and the left constantly employs such tactics, such as “red flag” laws. This idea can be easily sold to those who don’t understand the underlying consequences of supporting what they believe to be reasonable, but is actually extremely unreasonable. For example, there is a guy who is threatening people, and exhibiting all of the telltale signs of mental illness, so no reasonable person wants to see that guy with a gun. Seems pretty reasonable. However, when assessed more thoroughly, you find the devil in the details … such red flags identifying this dangerous dude may come in the form of anonymous phone calls, or innocent social media posts, or a variety of other forms. And the “authorities” are the ones who ultimately decide what meets the red flag criteria, which could be anything they want it to be. Consequently, it’s a blank check for denying any person their constitutional rights on the flimsy grounds of an anonymous phone call, or even the false claim of receiving such a call. So, that makes this “reasonable measure” more destructive of one’s constitutional rights than would an outright ban on a certain class of weapon.

The same tactics are involved in the abortion issue. And it was like that all the way back at the beginning in 1973. Roe was a liar. Roe’s pregnancy was not the consequence of a gang rape, but only her drug and alcohol induced promiscuous behavior. It’s illustrative of the level of deception, as apparently rape was insufficiently dramatic, so the lie was further embellished by claiming it to be a “gang rape”. But there was no rape involved at all, contrary to the cries from the left, and she later admitted this. Roe was an alcoholic, drug addict and drug pusher. She had already given birth to two illegitimate children for whom she put up for adoption prior to becoming pregnant with baby Roe, and I bet that a majority of people don’t even know these facts.

This is what we are dealing with. Shameless liars who have no boundaries to the level of dishonesty they will go.

The title of this thread is similarly dishonest.

As a side note, the Supreme Court just ruled that the matter of abortion is a state issue, not under federal authority. Consequently, the attempt to circumvent Texas law by federal authority which the court ruled as non-existing, is a fraud at face value.
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