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Old 08-09-2022, 12:01 PM
 
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Re: Socialism.

Any country's government that TAKES from one to GIVE to another is socialist, even if labor and industry are not nationalized.
. . .
Compulsory labor for the benefit of another is (ahem) slavery, clothed in socialist dialectic.
Confiscation of surplus is (ahem) theft by government, also clothed in socialist dialectic.
. . .
Voluntary charity is a blessing.
Compulsory charity is a curse.
. . .
In essence, socialists are thieves and slavers, using bafflegab to hide their true intentions.



Thats why all the worlds multinational corps and billionaires are clamoring to move to Somalia, none of that nasty socialist govt interference. There men are men and fight the rebel groups and build infrastructure on their own.
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Old 08-09-2022, 01:40 PM
 
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Ah that ole chestnut. That's blatantly not true!

https://worldpopulationreview.com/co...dex-by-country

When it comes to 'freedoms' the US falls significantly behind Denmark,
which suffers less freedom than only Switzerland (the most 'free' country on the planet) and New Zealand.
Really?

In Denmark can I go buy a .357 Magnum in 10 minutes for my car just to have it there simply because I want it?

They tax sugar there among other BS, please tell me how that equates to any sort of freedom.
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Old 08-09-2022, 02:11 PM
 
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Yihaa!
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Old 08-09-2022, 05:38 PM
 
Location: Raleigh NC
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We have a popular local burger company here with several locations that treats their employees pretty well, $20/hour, plus medical, scholarships, child care assistance and more. It can be done, it's just a matter of priorities, and the big corporate fast food companies are all about profit, not caring about and helping their employees.


https://www.ddir.com/employment/#:~:text=All%20Dick's%20employees%20earn%20a,promo ted%20from%20within%20the%20company.
that's awesome, and as long as that business meets its own goals - it just shows how fantastic our country is. Over time, or through trial and error, the owner/company has developed policies that attract but more importantly retain employees...and customers

I find the $28K scholarship curious since it only requires staying there 6 weeks if you're motivated ... though reading other info provided I assume one must continue to work 18 hours/week while getting the scholly.

And I'd wonder how long a shift supervisor, who's likely THE one under stress to sell more/faster, tends to last since there's what, 18 of them and the only step up is restaurant manager which likely never turn over.

otherwise, it's a McDonalds based on a couple of review sites. If McD's is killing it, and this place charges 20% more, it should be able to make money too. I'm sure it fits in well with the uncorporate vibe of Seattle.
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Old 08-10-2022, 10:37 AM
 
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that's awesome, and as long as that business meets its own goals - it just shows how fantastic our country is. Over time, or through trial and error, the owner/company has developed policies that attract but more importantly retain employees...and customers

I find the $28K scholarship curious since it only requires staying there 6 weeks if you're motivated ... though reading other info provided I assume one must continue to work 18 hours/week while getting the scholly.

And I'd wonder how long a shift supervisor, who's likely THE one under stress to sell more/faster, tends to last since there's what, 18 of them and the only step up is restaurant manager which likely never turn over.

otherwise, it's a McDonalds based on a couple of review sites. If McD's is killing it, and this place charges 20% more, it should be able to make money too. I'm sure it fits in well with the uncorporate vibe of Seattle.
Like most people on "low wage anti-corporate" rants they leave out the comparison wage or better yet, present minimum wage as if that is what McDonalds is paying.

The Seattle McD's are paying 18/hr. starting.

This entire thread is predicated on dishonest comparisons, cherry picking etc.

It's certainly a worthy conversation but I'm not going to let someone warp data and cherry pick in ANY discussion as it's not arriving at an honest place.
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Old 08-10-2022, 02:10 PM
 
Location: Ohio
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Thats why all the worlds multinational corps and billionaires are clamoring to move to Somalia, none of that nasty socialist govt interference. There men are men and fight the rebel groups and build infrastructure on their own.
It's incredibly rude to interrupt their dogmatic, simplified morals with complex reality
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Old 11-30-2022, 07:19 AM
 
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I don't know much about how things work over there in Denmark, however since most labor legislation as well as healthcare legislation in the US are made at the state level under state rights, what stopping a state from modeling something like Denmark or even just a fraction like Denmark, i.e requiring a $18 minimum age and at least two weeks paid leave for large fortune 500 companies i.e Walmart, McDonalds, etc, and public option universal health care?
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Old 11-30-2022, 07:24 AM
 
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Leave ?

With universal healthcare and even unemployment pay for quitting even if not fired through no fault?

So quitting jobs and switching when sad in Denmark doesn’t mean needing a 9 months rainy day fund

Now I feel sad we don’t have it as good as the Danes. They also get to work only like 30 hours per week and they get paid to stay home with their kid? It sounds incredible
You should pack your bags and move to Denmark NOW! They accept all newcomers. Go and do it quickly! Report back so others may follow in your foot steps.
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Old 11-30-2022, 07:40 AM
 
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I don't know much about how things work over there in Denmark, however since most labor legislation as well as healthcare legislation in the US are made at the state level under state rights, what stopping a state from modeling something like Denmark or even just a fraction like Denmark, i.e requiring a $18 minimum age and at least two weeks paid leave for large fortune 500 companies i.e Walmart, McDonalds, etc, and public option universal health care?
Don't buy into the dishonest narrative.

Here is a Seattle McD's right now, 17.50 starting + incentives + time off + health + dental

https://www.google.com/search?q=seat...AAAAAAAA%3D%3D
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Old 11-30-2022, 07:51 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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I don't know much about how things work over there in Denmark, however since most labor legislation as well as healthcare legislation in the US are made at the state level under state rights, what stopping a state from modeling something like Denmark or even just a fraction like Denmark, i.e requiring a $18 minimum age and at least two weeks paid leave for large fortune 500 companies i.e Walmart, McDonalds, etc, and public option universal health care?
most healthcare legislation is at the federal level

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requiring a $18 minimum age and at least two weeks paid leave for large fortune 500 companies i.e Walmart, McDonalds, etc, and public option universal health care?
states can and do set their own min wage above the federal...

UHC? at the state level... its not even affordable at the federal level.... both Vermont and California looked into a state level UHC/singlepayer...both those "progressive" states figured out the cost would be too much, unobtainable... California alone figured it would cost a trillion dollars a year for statewide singlepayer.... California already has over a trillion dollar debt
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