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imo, it began with, "idle hands is a devil's workshop". 400 years of evolutionary culture in the u.s. ... the longer hours a person works the better to buy stuff they don't need, with money they can't touch.
It's great, because as long as they are looking at that; they won't see their economic rights dwindling down to non existent within the u.s. freedom loving culture. So --- yes, it matters.
So let me get this straight. A higher material standard of living and more material comfort leads to less economic and personal freedom.
USA government is too big and bloated and it costs a lot of tax payer money to keep such an overbloated government propped up. This is why the American people will never get the things they deserve. It's probably going to take another civil war to stop this.
imo, it began with, "idle hands is a devil's workshop". 400 years of evolutionary culture in the u.s. ... the longer hours a person works the better to buy stuff they don't need, with money they can't touch.
It's great, because as long as they are looking at that; they won't see their economic rights dwindling down to non existent within the u.s. freedom loving culture. So --- yes, it matters.
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Originally Posted by BigCityDreamer
So let me get this straight. A higher material standard of living and more material comfort leads to less economic and personal freedom.
Is that the way the argument is supposed to work?
---- 400 years of developing it, wow, it works. Reread the bold and see if you can't work it out from that. I put it in bold for just that reason, so to see it. [the assumption made is priceless]
hint: what has led to less economic and personal freedom, people are so busy to doing the former believing they will eventually get there, they don't see the later. There are many things in life they will miss because of the social pressures ... it's just sad.
---- 400 years of developing it, wow, it works. Reread the bold and see if you can't work it out from that. I put it in bold for just that reason, so to see it. [the assumption made is priceless]
hint: what has led to less economic and personal freedom, people are so busy to doing the former believing they will eventually get there, they don't see the later. There are many things in life they will miss because of the social pressures ... it's just sad.
Sounds rather autobiographical.
Work and gain are choices. And rest assured, there are people in Denmark who love fancy clothes, fancy cars, and work their tails off to get them.
Denmark is just a country, not some kind of idealistic hamlet out of a Tolkein novel. It has its pros and cons like any other normal country. Better than most.
And America and Denmark have more in common than not. Both are free market democracies and success stories.
Denmark developed good education and health care, enough to benefit everyone. So they don't have the drag of perpetual support for a large unproductive marginalized largely criminal under-class.
They're also not supporting 2% of their adult male population in high security prisons for non-violent crimes, while supporting their families on the outside as well.
Denmark is also has a population of 5 million people it’s a totally different animal than the 350 million person United States. You have it backwards they can afford the public services because they DONT have many people that use or abuse it. Again their middle class is living much lower qualities of life than the US middle class. It is not uncommon for the middle class in Denmark to be paying over half their income in taxes. Many don’t have vehicles and rent their their homes. A/C, large vehicle ownership, home ownership, business ownership, etc luxuries our middle class enjoys are relegated only for their upper class. They also don’t have to defend and innovate for the free world like we do. There are pluses and minuses to both systems. There would be so much waste, fraud and abuse and lower quality services if we tried to implement their system. Our hospitals would be run like our public transit is. Not a good idea here.
---- 400 years of developing it, wow, it works. Reread the bold and see if you can't work it out from that. I put it in bold for just that reason, so to see it. [the assumption made is priceless]
hint: what has led to less economic and personal freedom, people are so busy to doing the former believing they will eventually get there, they don't see the later. There are many things in life they will miss because of the social pressures ... it's just sad.
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Originally Posted by Moth
Sounds rather autobiographical.
Work and gain are choices. And rest assured, there are people in Denmark who love fancy clothes, fancy cars, and work their tails off to get them.
Denmark is just a country, not some kind of idealistic hamlet out of a Tolkein novel. It has its pros and cons like any other normal country. Better than most.
And America and Denmark have more in common than not. Both are free market democracies and success stories.
Not me, I know better.
The u.s hasn't been (without gov intervention within) a free market since the days of FDR and it is a Constitutional (country of laws) Republic; the only democratic process is the act of voting, where as, only two party system, does not a democracy make.
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Originally Posted by Moth
Work and gain are choices. And rest assured, there are people in Denmark who love fancy clothes, fancy cars, and work their tails off to get them.
I'm sure they do, but if the op is correct the u.s. may want to rethink, the longer hours a person works the better, philosophy. If a person doesn't live long enough to enjoy the fruits of their labor, what's the point? Don't tell me it's for the raise in GDP numbers, cause that's a crock.
What makes people think they are entitled to a full year of paid vacation for having a kid? If you want to have kids, have a traditional 2 person family where one person stays home to raise the kid, or how most cultures have done it during our evolution, a big, extended family where the grandparents help out.
Frankly all these welfare programs are unfair to those who don't have kids or don't always injure something or come up with some excuse where they need time off. I wish I had the personality type where I could simply say I have migraines to qualify for FMLA. My life would be much more enjoyable if I could simply call in for a migraine to get an extra week off every month or two. A lot of people abuse these programs.
High taxes, high prices, and social cohesion. People put up with the high taxes, because they see it as paying for services they get, not money being transferred for one group of people to another. Note that these socialist paradises (at the ones that work), seem to be small, and demographically homogeneous.
Yep. What would happen if a few million uneducated peasants suddenly walked across the border and started sucking up those government benefits??? How long until the system collapsed?
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