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I think it is much much easier to just use the gendered locker rooms. People just need to stop being nosey Nancy and worry about themselves unless the situation actually calls for it like an actual rape attempt.
I think it’s much easier to stop inventing marginalized groups and inventing a need to give them special rights that no one would even think of 10-15 years ago.
A trans individual wants to use the bathroom of the opposite sex? Hey, if they actually fit in with the sex they’re emulating no one will notice. If they don’t, they get kicked out on their butts, humiliated if need. That’s part of life. You don’t get to do everything that comes to your mind and no one cares if you become sad later!
The problem is your solution causes more problems and likely many who may use the changing room you want them to may still end up using the other ones when the line is too long to do so. Please leave your sexist comments out of the argument.
My solution means someone might have to take turns. Is that really a big problem? It seems a lot simpler and far less problematic than allowing men into the women’s room.
Glad I am comfortable being nude in front of anyone, but damn I think it is sick that a man can be in there with little girls. That is disturbing. Put the men that want to be women in a separate place together. Then they can't peek at the little girls. Seriously, it isn't natural at all.
I'm specifically referring to the facat that historically and to this day, there is ONE day set aside for Veteran's Day - in November. Veterans also get respect on Memorial Day, as well they should.
As for laws being passed to prevent trans people from using the restroom, society could solve this by simply having a third bathroom for trans people. It's the most viable, most pragmatic, most peaceful option,which makes everyone happy. Pony up the money and everyone's happy.The money is there. The political will is not.
The solution of having "unisex" bathrooms is only partially solving the problem. Because they need to be UNIVERSAL - across all states, counties, cities, towns, etc. to be fully viable. Individual bathrooms with privacy.
In most (if not all) public places I frequent there are usually bathrooms to be used by a single person at a time, regardless of gender or physical ability. We don't need a "transgender" restroom.
There was a naked man in the women's locker room at the YMCA? I have seen no reports of that.
In a famous Supreme Court case on pornography, Justice Potter Stewart wrote in his concurrence on defining pornography, "perhaps I could never succeed in intelligibly doing so. But I know it when I see it." In a similar vein on defining what is a man or a woman, "perhaps I could never succeed in intelligibly doing so. But I know it when I see it."
"The Olympic Peninsula YMCA operates the Mountain View Pool in partnership with the City of Port Townsend."
Here is their public statement from this past week:
Official Statement Regarding Mountain View Pool
"The Olympic Peninsula YMCA is an organization that welcomes all people. At the Y, we strive to create communities that are inclusive and socially just so that all people can thrive. We will not tolerate bias, hatred, or discrimination that leads to the oppression of individuals or communities. We will ensure sustained and meaningful progress toward equity and human dignity for all.
On Monday, August 1, a small group of community members expressed their concerns regarding the Mountain View Pool changing rooms specifically related to a transgender person. There was a small gathering of people outside Mountain View Commons discussing this issue.
In addition to the universal changing rooms, there are a men’s and women’s locker rooms provided with private changing areas as well as showers with curtains at the pool. The Y operates in accordance with state law that gives people the right to access the locker rooms, changing rooms, and bathrooms that aligns with their gender identity, per WAC 162-32-060.
The law states, “entities shall allow individuals the use of gender-segregated facilities, such as restrooms, locker rooms, dressing rooms, and homeless or emergency shelters, that are
consistent with that individual's gender expression or gender identity.”
The Y will uphold and respect this law in regards to YMCA staff, members, and program participants that use Mountain View Pool. At the Y, our goal is to provide an atmosphere free from discrimination, hatred, derogatory or unwelcome comments, intimidation, or actions based on an individual’s sex, age, race, ethnicity, religion, disability, sexual orientation, gender identity or expression or any other legally protected status.
" https://www.olympicpeninsulaymca.org...back=alert_bar
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I don't agree with policies that permit male-to-female transgender persons in locker rooms where females are present, especially children, but that is what the Olympic Peninsula YMCA is going to continue to do.
In most (if not all) public places I frequent there are usually bathrooms to be used by a single person at a time, regardless of gender or physical ability. We don't need a "transgender" restroom.
(1) Facility use. All covered entities shall allow individuals the use of gender-segregated facilities, such as restrooms, locker rooms, dressing rooms, and homeless or emergency shelters, that are consistent with that individual's gender expression or gender identity.
In such facilities where undressing in the presence of others occurs, covered entities shall allow access to and use of a facility consistent with that individual's gender expression or gender identity.
(2) Cannot require use inconsistent with gender expression or gender identity. A covered entity shall not request or require an individual to use a gender-segregated facility that is inconsistent with that individual's gender expression or gender identity, or request or require an individual to use a separate or gender-neutral facility.
(a) If another person expresses concern or discomfort about a person who uses a facility that is consistent with the person's gender expression or gender identity, the person expressing discomfort should be directed to a separate or gender-neutral facility, if available.
(b) Any action taken against a person who is using a restroom or other gender-segregated facility, such as removing a person, should be taken due to that person's actions or behavior while in the facility, and must be unrelated to gender expression or gender identity. The same standards of conduct and behavior must be consistently applied to all facility users, regardless of gender expression or gender identity.
(3) Provision of options encouraged. Whenever feasible, covered entities are encouraged to provide options for privacy, such as single-use gender-neutral bathrooms or private changing areas, that are available to any individual desiring privacy.
I haven't visited a supermarket bathroom in decades. They are or were usually down long hallways and creep me out. Our older local library probably still has male and female bathrooms and newer libraries might have a combination of types of bathrooms.
The medical centers nearby all have some bathrooms with multiple stalls that are labeled "Men" and "Women" and there are also numerous single-gender/single-person use bathrooms, originally set up to service wheelchair patrons.
"The Olympic Peninsula YMCA operates the Mountain View Pool in partnership with the City of Port Townsend."
Here is their public statement from this past week:
Official Statement Regarding Mountain View Pool
"The Olympic Peninsula YMCA is an organization that welcomes all people. At the Y, we strive to create communities that are inclusive and socially just so that all people can thrive. We will not tolerate bias, hatred, or discrimination that leads to the oppression of individuals or communities. We will ensure sustained and meaningful progress toward equity and human dignity for all.
On Monday, August 1, a small group of community members expressed their concerns regarding the Mountain View Pool changing rooms specifically related to a transgender person. There was a small gathering of people outside Mountain View Commons discussing this issue.
In addition to the universal changing rooms, there are a men’s and women’s locker rooms provided with private changing areas as well as showers with curtains at the pool. The Y operates in accordance with state law that gives people the right to access the locker rooms, changing rooms, and bathrooms that aligns with their gender identity, per WAC 162-32-060.
The law states, “entities shall allow individuals the use of gender-segregated facilities, such as restrooms, locker rooms, dressing rooms, and homeless or emergency shelters, that are
consistent with that individual's gender expression or gender identity.”
The Y will uphold and respect this law in regards to YMCA staff, members, and program participants that use Mountain View Pool. At the Y, our goal is to provide an atmosphere free from discrimination, hatred, derogatory or unwelcome comments, intimidation, or actions based on an individual’s sex, age, race, ethnicity, religion, disability, sexual orientation, gender identity or expression or any other legally protected status.
" https://www.olympicpeninsulaymca.org...back=alert_bar
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I don't agree with policies that permit male-to-female transgender persons in locker rooms where females are present, especially children, but that is what the Olympic Peninsula YMCA is going to continue to do.
Other countries take a very different view and have different laws to the US.
The NHS Tavistock Transgender clinic is also being closed after a damning Government report.
"The closure of the service for young people at Tavistock is likely to be seen as a victory by campaigners who have previously accused GIDS of rushing children onto puberty blocking drugs".
Meanwhile both candidates in the Conservative leadership contest in the UK are planning new legislation to curb woke culture, with favourite to next PM, Liz Truss having previously called for a War on the Woke and she also recently stated that she would make sure that militant activists such as Extinction Rebellion, are not able to disrupt ordinary people who work hard and do the right thing and go into work.
I can only hope that the US starts to see common sense.
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