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Old 08-10-2022, 02:47 PM
 
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So the cops will have to enter the schools to access the firearms rather than already being armed. I must be missing something here.
Yeah, this is a hairbrained idea right from the get-go. And that's assuming they get to the stash of firearms before the shooter.
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Old 08-10-2022, 03:00 PM
 
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So the cops will have to enter the schools to access the firearms rather than already being armed. I must be missing something here.
You are. Did you read the article? If you haven't then you should. It will be perfectly clear.
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Old 08-10-2022, 03:08 PM
 
Location: alexandria, VA
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You are. Did you read the article? If you haven't then you should. It will be perfectly clear.
Yeah, I went back and read the article (again). Something about keeping safes containing AR-15s and breaching tools in the schools. Not sure what good this would have done in Uvalde where the cops were already armed but stood around frozen with fear while the maniac went on the killing spree.
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Old 08-10-2022, 03:41 PM
 
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Unless staff has access to and the codes for any safe... though it wouldn't have helped in the Parkland shooting either, since the killing of 17 people and wounding 17 others, over 3 floors, took 6 minutes after which the shooter disappeared into the crowd of kids escaping out of the building.

Cops still hadn't breached the building and the shooter was already gone, but they stayed 1,000 ft away for 20 more minutes, and didn't know he was gone because the CCTV they were watching from inside the school was on a 26 min delay. So many points of failure there. A safe with an AR-15 wouldn't have done a thing.
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Old 08-10-2022, 06:46 PM
 
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Yeah, I went back and read the article (again). Something about keeping safes containing AR-15s and breaching tools in the schools. Not sure what good this would have done in Uvalde where the cops were already armed but stood around frozen with fear while the maniac went on the killing spree.
I do not believe Uvalde is typical. Do you?

The tools and AR's will not be IN THE SCHOOLS!
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Old 08-10-2022, 06:55 PM
 
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What could go wrong!?
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Old 08-10-2022, 08:33 PM
 
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What could go wrong!?
We protect politicians and money with guns, but we should not protect kids?
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Old 08-10-2022, 09:13 PM
 
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I do not believe Uvalde is typical. Do you?

The tools and AR's will not be IN THE SCHOOLS!
Exactly where will the ARs be kept? I did not see that on the link.
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Old 08-11-2022, 06:14 AM
 
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Exactly where will the ARs be kept? I did not see that on the link.
How would I know that?

Point is... tools outside for responders, not inside. Typical storage is in a reinforced concrete vault of some sort. That's what they use outside nuclear plants. I'll assume something similar or what ever they (county) can afford.
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Old 08-11-2022, 06:32 AM
 
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The first and possibly main failure point was that these shooters were *easily* able to walk into these schools.

In Ulvade, the shooter got in through a side door. The door was supposed to lock automatically when closed, though teachers/staff would prop the door open with a rock, bypassing security protocols. The door was propped open that day as well, though allegedly a teacher pushed aside the rock and let the door close as the shooter walked toward that door. And then the door didn't lock and he walked right in.

In Parkland, the shooter was a former student who had been expelled the year before, and was known to school staff campus monitors as "crazy boy" as he had made threats over a few years. Yet the lamest of the lame campus monitor watched "crazy boy" enter the campus, carrying a large black bag holding an AR15, and did....nothing. Didn't stop him.


If the most basic safety measures can't or won't be followed to keep these shooters out of the buildings in the first place, then anything else will always be too late and after-the-fact. In 5 minutes a shooter can take out dozens of people.
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