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Just saw on the news Ford is investing 700 million in ICE for super duty trucks. So it seems nobody has anything to complain about. The CEO said himself EVs aren't ready yet for heavy towing. They are going to make some of everything.
Then don't MANDATE one over the other. Problem solved.
Interesting, are you trying to impress us with the fact that your old Vette beat an EV truck towing, or was it just an EV truck ?
Just a truck chuck and not towing. But it sure went out of it's way ray to race me. Not sure why, but all these years with my fast cars it's red necks in trucks or thugs in rice cars that wanna race. Just got this C6 and it was just cleaned and sat in a garage for 15 years. Bone stock, but did tune it last week. Headers and cam coming soon sam. Only Ford EV truck i have seen on the road so far. I had a EV so know they are fast down low bro. I would love a small reg cab S10 size truck EV version with 450hp.
The truck. Great, comfortable, smooth, quiet truck that pulls like a freight train. Monster toque. Driver said he was surprised at the torque while towing. He didn't even feel like he was towing a 3500-lb load. Accelerating felt as if he wasn't even towing.
The bad
Range, range, range! Range dropped by 2/3rds when towing a modest load equivalent to your average ski boat.
The truck was charged to an indicated 200 miles range.
63 miles of range used towing a 1500-lb empty aluminum trailer 30 miles. Range was cut in half.
90 miles of range used towing a combined 3800-lb load 30 miles. Range was 1/3 unladen range.
EVs are quickly getting their. Early adopters will experience growing pains during the ramp up. This all happend with the early days of personal computing. PCs went obsolete every 2 years during the first decade or two, technology was leaping so fast. Who has forgotten the IBM blue screen of death?
So EV technology will get there, but we have a lot of development to do to work out the kinks and make EVs equivalent to gas powered cars and trucks. We'll get there, but early adopters will be the beta testers.
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Disclaimer: Posted in "Controversies" instead of Automotive due to the nature of these discussion. It is a shame we can't discuss EVs on the technical merits. It is a shame the government has made EV's controversial by interfering in the free market and shoving these down our throats rather than allowing their development strictly by market forces. Then it would just be another product offering you could choose to buy or not to buy. Instead, it has come to
That is shame because EVs have many good benefits and are a great product for many people for the right applications.
Batteries aren't new. They simply can't compete with the burning of fossil fuel, which have millions of years of energy baked into them.
My laptop's battery still sucks after a year or two. STILL. That's after decades of batteries being put into computers. Cars and trucks are no different.
The battery cannot compete with an engine that burns fossil fuels in term of output and reliability!
Correct answer. That is why Ford offers four different powerplants in the F150:
gasoline
diesel
hybrid
full electric.
If you're going to tow a heavy trailer a long distance, the Lightning isn't for you. If the heaviest thing you'll carry is a hockey bag and a couple of kids, then it's perfect.
Then perfect would be a chevy bolt, not a full size pickup.
Just saw on the news Ford is investing 700 million in ICE for super duty trucks. So it seems nobody has anything to complain about. The CEO said himself EVs aren't ready yet for heavy towing. They are going to make some of everything.
Wonder if they will have a solution by 2035 for those individuals in CA, that will need a Newsom Compliant vehicle to tow with ?
True, but the Ford EV lost 70% of its range. You lose around 35% towing a boat with a gas powered truck. So the EV is twice as sensitive while towing. That is a large differnence.
a lot of that is due to the single speed. all motors - even electric - have sweet spots where power in is the most efficient.
the ICE truck, will just automatically shift to a gear to put it back in the power band. the EV - no such luck. GM has screwed around with E-copo as they call it. the motor is bolted to the tranny just like its engine - not sure of the tranny is a 2 spd, 3, etc or even 10 but GM billed it as an almost zero-buck conversion, the motor would even spin at 'idle' to keep the AC on and pumps etc. and of course, with a much smaller battery and a much smaller motor, it was more efficient.
Wonder if they will have a solution by 2035 for those individuals in CA, that will need a Newsom Compliant vehicle to tow with ?
If we don't stop producing ICEs today the world will end before that. I can't believe anybody is actually worried about a law that far out. They are also building them in Kentucky not California.
a lot of that is due to the single speed. all motors - even electric - have sweet spots where power in is the most efficient.
the ICE truck, will just automatically shift to a gear to put it back in the power band. the EV - no such luck. GM has screwed around with E-copo as they call it. the motor is bolted to the tranny just like its engine - not sure of the tranny is a 2 spd, 3, etc or even 10 but GM billed it as an almost zero-buck conversion, the motor would even spin at 'idle' to keep the AC on and pumps etc. and of course, with a much smaller battery and a much smaller motor, it was more efficient.
I believe the COPO uses a Turbo 400, so a 3 spd.
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