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Old 10-02-2022, 07:06 AM
 
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....what a horrible thing to happen


"ABC 7 reports that the driver of a Tesla was killed early on Saturday when his car burst into flames following a collision with a tree along the I-75, according to Florida Highway Patrol. Investigators stated that a man was driving a Tesla southbound when he lost control of his car."

"The car veered onto the highway shoulder and into a ditch where it hit a tree and caught fire. The driver was unable to exit the vehicle and was pronounced dead at the scene. The man has yet to be identified."

 
Old 10-02-2022, 07:08 AM
 
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yikes. lithium battery fires are frankly terrifying. we'll be seeing an increasing number of them, no doubt.
 
Old 10-02-2022, 07:28 AM
 
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OK. But as someone who loves his car that gets 11mpg, and has no plans to go electric any time in the near future, how often does this happen vs how often do gas powered cars burst into flames in collisions?

I'm not making a statement here, it is a "good faith" question, because I really don't know the answer.
 
Old 10-02-2022, 07:34 AM
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OK. But as someone who loves his car that gets 11mpg, and has no plans to go electric any time in the near future, how often does this happen vs how often do gas powered cars burst into flames in collisions?

I'm not making a statement here, it is a "good faith" question, because I really don't know the answer.
You kinda expect the possibility of a fire with a Dino fueled car.
But they are also subject to electrical fires.
As much as I detest EV’s, I don’t think a Tesla burning up due to an impact is that big of a deal.
I know other anti EV’ers will try to use the I told you so’s and such, but I don’t see this as anything of greater concern. Anything with wires and fuel are subject to fires.
 
Old 10-02-2022, 07:40 AM
 
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You kinda expect the possibility of a fire with a Dino fueled car.
But they are also subject to electrical fires.
As much as I detest EV’s, I don’t think a Tesla burning up due to an impact is that big of a deal.
I know other anti EV’ers will try to use the I told you so’s and such, but I don’t see this as anything of greater concern. Anything with wires and fuel are subject to fires.
Thank you.

I am not anti-EV.

I am anti-forced EV. If EVs win out in a free market, then that is the way it was meant to be. If they don't, then, the same. And maybe we will be there one day. I just don't want the government telling me what I can and cant drive.
 
Old 10-02-2022, 07:48 AM
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Thank you.

I am not anti-EV.

I am anti-forced EV. If EVs win out in a free market, then that is the way it was meant to be. If they don't, then, the same. And maybe we will be there one day. I just don't want the government telling me what I can and cant drive.
I don’t necessarily have a problem with EV’s themselves.
My problem is the government dictating more draconian nonsense.
So in that respect, I am anti EV.
 
Old 10-02-2022, 08:08 AM
 
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OK. But as someone who loves his car that gets 11mpg, and has no plans to go electric any time in the near future, how often does this happen vs how often do gas powered cars burst into flames in collisions?

I'm not making a statement here, it is a "good faith" question, because I really don't know the answer.
Here is what the numbers say, then I'll pick these numbers apart as to why I would take them with a grain of salt.

https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a4...al-statistics/

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AutoInsuranceEZ studied the frequency of fires—from all causes, including collisions—in automobiles in 2021. It found that hybrid vehicles, which have an internal combustion engine and an electric motor, had the most fires per 100,000 vehicles (3475), while vehicles with just an internal combustion engine placed second (1530 per 100,000). Fully electric vehicles had the fewest: 25 per 100,000. These findings were based on data from the National Transportation Safety Board and the Bureau of Transportation Statistics.
So:

1) Source is reputable, references govt. data.

2) Does not take into account other factors beside type of car.

3) Older and smaller vehicles, as well as ones being driven at high rates of speed would be more likely to end up more likely to sustain enough damage in an accident to cause a car fire.

Pretty sure if we had an all Escalade vs Prius demolition derby I can guess which ones will be burning more by the end of the day.

High rates of speed are more common in rural areas with younger drivers and that means mostly gas powered and accidents with potential to rip a car into pieces as opposed to fender benders at piggly wiggly.

Without a solid statistical study adjusting for who, where, how fast, how old etc. all I can do is *shrug*, clearly the anti-EV crowd is just tossing poop so to speak.
 
Old 10-02-2022, 08:11 AM
 
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yikes. lithium battery fires are frankly terrifying. we'll be seeing an increasing number of them, no doubt.
That's what my great grandpappy Jebediah Mathguy said back in 1902....I ain't never seen a horse crash and burst into flames.
 
Old 10-02-2022, 08:16 AM
 
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OK. But as someone who loves his car that gets 11mpg, and has no plans to go electric any time in the near future, how often does this happen vs how often do gas powered cars burst into flames in collisions?

I'm not making a statement here, it is a "good faith" question, because I really don't know the answer.
This is talking about total fires, not just collisions so FWIW.


https://www.renolon.com/electric-car-fire-statistics/

Per 100K vehicles
  • Hybrid 3475.5
  • Gas 1529.9
  • Electric 25.1

So percentage-wise Hybrids are actually the worse at about 3.4%, gas at 1.9%, and then Electric at 0.3.
 
Old 10-02-2022, 08:20 AM
 
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That's what my great grandpappy Jebediah Mathguy said back in 1902....I ain't never seen a horse crash and burst into flames.
He also said, "Why would I want to pay fifty times more for this automobile when I can just use my horse and buggy that does the same thing for me?"--and at the time, that was very true; autos were horribly inefficient and horribly unreliable. It took another twenty years from 1902 before autos were common and relatively reliable and cheap enough for the typical person to afford one. Electric cars are in the same boat right now--horribly expensive to where a typical person cannot afford one and has no legitimate reason to buy one over an IC powered car. Frankly, I wouldn't take one if you gave it to me right now. Give it some time and maybe they will be a viable option for non-millionaires.
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