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Old 10-11-2022, 08:47 PM
 
Location: Raleigh NC
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If you were an actual refugee seeking asylum, would you walk across a desert or cross a river, or walk along a highway and across a bridge?

If you paid someone to get you to the border so you could seek asylum viably, would you naturally expect them to drop you off where it was the easiest to make that claim, or out in the desert where you might die, drown, or cross undetected?
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Please, I beg you and any others, click this US Government link, and scroll down ~1/2 the page to where it says

U.S. Border Patrol and Office of Field Operations Encounters FY2022

https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/s...der-encounters

OFO Encounters is at official border crossings. USBP/CBP is when they AVOID the checkpoint.

The # is 2MM between official crossings (border jumpers) vs. 153K who presented at a crossing.

 
Old 10-11-2022, 08:48 PM
 
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They never have a response regarding any of that stuff. The truth is that deep down inside, a lot of open borders proponents believe that the undocumented should be able to have their cake and eat it too. "Victims" to lavish their liberal largesse to. Money just grows on trees. Scarcity isn't a thing to them. The QoL of Americans impacted by them isn't a concern to them. I actually don't blame migrants/undocumented folks for trying to come here/coming here. I do blame the government for allowing our border and entry/stay controls to be a farce. Our asylum laws need revisiting too. If they consider Mexico too unsafe to be seeking asylum there then they don't have a credible claim of seeking it at all due to safety.
I disagree with your statement that these illegals hold no blame for crashing our border. As an analogy, just because the bank manager left the vault door open would you enter it and steal the money knowing full well that you would be breaking the law? Ponder on that for awhile.
 
Old 10-11-2022, 08:50 PM
 
Location: Retired in VT; previously MD & NJ
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and here we thought you wanted to have an honest debate about the issue.

Reasonable people don't call them "open borders" nor accuse the majority of CD members or Dems of wanting them - though some do ("no human is illegal", "all are welcome").
 
Old 10-11-2022, 08:53 PM
 
Location: Retired in VT; previously MD & NJ
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Because that is the policy of the Biden Admin and DHS Secretary Mayorkas. The Republicans do not hold the majority in either house of Congress. They cannot schedule a hearing, they cannot pass any additional laws that would strip Mayorkas of his authority.

There is no law that says "all unaccompanied children will be admitted and placed with a sponsor".

There is no law that says "give as many as possible favorable initial asylum assessments".

There is no law that says "we should admit as many as possible [catch and release] and allow them to add to the backlog of immigration cases so that all get 3+ years living in America before their clearly non-legal claim is determined and they are deported".

There is no law that that says they should be released at all (except asylum claims, of which ~10% of the last 12 months 2MM+ encounters even made a claim).

There has been a policy that single adults not claiming asylum are summarily deported, but that has been stopped.

There is a law that once their immigration claim has been adjudicated, and if ordered deported by a judge, they are to be deported. But the DHS Secretary has even said those people are not to be summarily deported. This is how we have 1.2MM with deportation orders that haven't been deported, and annual ~300K ICE deportations that sank below 80K last year.

There is a law that if you are found to be here illegally, and haven't ever presented to the system, that you can be immediately deported. But the DHS Secretary has said "merely being here illegally shouldn't be grounds for deportation". This interesting philosophy means that even if a gotaway commits a violent crime that's not murder, terrorism, or high-quantity drug dealing, they don't have to be deported. They get to sink back into the shadows.

That should be a good start, if we want to talk about this current Administration, outside the ability of Congress to stop them, has rewarded those who are here illegally.
The last immigration law was passed in 1986. There have been Repubs in power since then who did nothing to fix the immigration laws. You can't blame only the Dems unless you believe the world began only 2 years ago.
 
Old 10-12-2022, 04:20 AM
 
Location: Midwest City, Oklahoma
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How many illegal aliens is enough?
As many as are good for economic growth.
 
Old 10-12-2022, 04:29 AM
 
Location: Morrison, CO
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No - because:

1- there are no "open borders"
2 - there are no "open border" proponents you will find on here
3 - there are no "woke Democrats" you will find on here

These are just little taglines your ilk has made up to make yourselves feel better.
You are clueless and delusional in your far left Connecticut bubble. Climate Change much? You guys are the death of America. Hope you're proud.
 
Old 10-12-2022, 05:10 AM
 
Location: Honolulu, HI
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No - because:

1- there are no "open borders"
2 - there are no "open border" proponents you will find on here
3 - there are no "woke Democrats" you will find on here

These are just little taglines your ilk has made up to make yourselves feel better.
Oh really?

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Number of migrants crossing border hits another record, with surges in migration by nationalities once rarely seen
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The number of border crossers from India, Turkey, Russia, Haiti, Brazil, Colombia and Nicaragua increased in part because it is harder for border agents to subject some of those nationalities to the Covid-19 border restrictions known as Title 42 that let the U.S. quickly send migrants back to their home countries. India, Russia and the other home countries of these migrants are reluctant to accept the migrants back. As a result, the data shows that most are allowed into the U.S. to pursue their immigration claims.
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/imm...on-n-rcna34030

Say hello to your new Haitian and Russian neighbors.
 
Old 10-12-2022, 05:32 AM
 
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As many as are good for economic growth.
Yes, they are creating an economic boom in New York City.

 
Old 10-12-2022, 05:44 AM
 
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The last immigration law was passed in 1986. There have been Repubs in power since then who did nothing to fix the immigration laws. You can't blame only the Dems unless you believe the world began only 2 years ago.
What needs to be fixed about the laws? Really, I would like to know. Do we need to enact a law obligating us to obey existing laws?

Seems the laws- numerous as they are- are ignored, particularly in the last couple of years.

The flow of illegals since Biden threw open the doors is unprecedented. No Republican administration ever did something like this. The last one tried to change things only to be impeded at every turn by .... wait for it .... Democrats.
 
Old 10-12-2022, 05:44 AM
 
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The last immigration law was passed in 1986. There have been Repubs in power since then who did nothing to fix the immigration laws. You can't blame only the Dems unless you believe the world began only 2 years ago.
That wasn't an immigration law it was amnesty. It was the same thing with the Gang of Eight bill that the Dems tried to pass. What about our immigration laws needs fixing other than the lack of enforcement of them?

I blame the Dems for encouraging illegal immigration with promises of another amnesty, healthcare, etc. for illegals aliens. I blame the Dems for refusing to pass an e-verify bill. I blame Biden for not finishing the wall and ending all of Trump's policies to discourage illegal immigration such as reinstating "catch and release", ending the workplace raids and his "wait in Mexico" policy. What say you?
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