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Hillary Clinton was cleared of wrongdoing by the FBI. Twice.
Her use of a private email server was a grey area at the time. Probably not prudent, but not illegal or forbidden by government policy. Also, the controversy at the time had to do with email that she sent and received, and possessed on a server, while she was in office. She was definitely entitled to her professional emails.
Trump is in a different position. He is violating the Presidential Records Act. It needs to be investigated and potentially prosecuted, which is the exact same procedure Hillary Clinton went through. Just because you do not like the results of the Clinton investigation, that does not mean she was guilty, and it does not mean that the situations are analogous.
The investigation of Hillary Clinton was not deemed worthy of pursuing by her friends in the DOJ and FBI. Strzok and Page were Hillary Loyalist, along with who knows how many others. And Hillary Clinton was not a President, so she was is not covered by the Presidential Records act
No, other former presidents have not done this, at least not since the Nixon admin when the presidential records act was passed.
This is a factually and quantifiably different thing than any other former president has done.
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Maybe we should just have a tillman7 thread so he can continue to do his TDS therapy by posting anti-Trump articles without polluting the board with repeated nonsense.
Every president has an issue with what is "theirs" and what is the "governments." Obama had the same issues. President Trump didn't try to go all gestapo and prosecute him on it.
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You can document this I assume? Please do.
Your claim doesn't need to be documented?
I guarantee you Trump knows more than you on this - unless you are a federal intelligence employee in the know.
So many of these people break the laws, and as long as they behave themselves - they are allowed to skate, and nobody says anything. If a person does stray outside of the boundaries, all The Swamp needs to do is go to the history and say such and such person broke the law... see Paul Manafort - who was allowed to operate for a decade until he got with Trump and decided not to talk... oh... he broke tax laws ten years ago... he is now under arrest... oh, the Trump lawyer received improper gifts years ago, arrest him.
This is how they operate. It is not debatable.
So it's not strange to visit the possibility that these prior presidents were allowed to take classified documents.
At least in the article, there was no denial. Perhaps elsewhere? Or not?
Here you go.
NARA rented a former bowling alley adjacent to a restaurant to temporarily store and sort documents for the Bush Presidential Library in TX. According to this article the facility was secured. No different than them renting space to temporarily hold Obama documents near his library in IL for the purpose of digitizing them.
Again, when she's in an orange jumpsuit, serving out the rest of her years, only then might I start to consider caring how butthurt the deep state was about Trump being president.
See, that is the thing with conspiracy theories. You are in the tank for Trump and the right wing, so anything that shows the left may not be evil, or the right may have problems, is automatically dismissed and the conspiracy gets larger. So although Comey as director of the FBI initially release the news, now the FBI is in on it. And the DOJ of the Trump administration, because if there was anything there, they could have pursued. Once the Trump DOJ is in on it, doesn't that also mean Trump supported their decision? Where does this stop? Is there anything that could convince you that she followed the letter of the law?
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You can document this, I presume. Please do.
I do not have to. The initial claim by another poster was that all former presidents did this, and I was merely responding. That poster has the burden of proof.
Yet, not one has ever been indicted or charged for this. Why not? Why should we accept the previous posters assertion that all previous presidents are corrupt, despite the fact that there is exactly zero evidence for their corruption in this area?
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The investigation of Hillary Clinton was not deemed worthy of pursuing by her friends in the DOJ and FBI. Strzok and Page were Hillary Loyalist, along with who knows how many others. And Hillary Clinton was not a President, so she was is not covered by the Presidential Records act
Right The Trump DOJ headed by Bill Barr could have done this, but for some reason did not. Maybe because there was no supporting evidence?
The presidential records act covers more than the president. It covers all records of the presidency, so it covers the entire admin, including Sec of State. So, she was covered by it during her time as SoS, she was not charged because she did not violate it.
Jeb probably has a point, but Trump was right to call out Jeb as low energy. If you watch House of Dragons, Trump is Daemon/Aemond. Jeb is that old weak king. Jeb and the rest of the GOP field in 2016 were feckless in the face of Trump. The only one who had an inspired resistance was Rubio, but he got Romneyed (that guy was evistericated for saying stuff like we should make illegals self deport) after the small hands things. Trump's masterstroke was just skipping a debate to host his own event while the rest of the field either ate each other alive or spent their time talking about a guy not even on stage. How Trump lost to a guy who could barely string two coherent sentences together in 2020 is beyond me. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Stolen election, yadya yadya yadya.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. Stolen election, yadya yadya yadya.
