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Old 10-31-2022, 10:24 AM
 
Location: New York City
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Not heard that Portugal was the new Amsterdam of drugs.
Background:
https://time.com/longform/portugal-d...iminalization/
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Old 10-31-2022, 03:17 PM
 
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Crime in NYC is lower than every year of Rudy's term for the 7 major felonies
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Old 10-31-2022, 07:09 PM
 
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Murder rates are rising in Republican Jacksonville too.

https://www.news4jax.com/news/local/...u-might-think/

Fort Worth is Republican-ran too. Violent crime is going up there too.

https://www.wfaa.com/article/news/lo...1-b7159e857655
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Old 10-31-2022, 08:03 PM
 
Location: Central IL
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Try the state level (https://news.yahoo.com/republican-co...x0voKk1pAyPPUL):

But a comparison of violent crime rates in jurisdictions controlled by Democrats and Republicans tells a very different story. In fact, a new study from the center-left think tank Third Way shows that states won by Trump in the 2020 election have higher murder rates than those carried by Joe Biden. The highest murder rates, the study found, are often in conservative, rural states.

The study found that murder rates in the 25 states Trump carried in 2020 are 40% higher overall than in the states Biden won. (The report used 2020 data because 2021 data is not yet fully available.) The five states with the highest per capita murder rate — Mississippi, Louisiana, Kentucky, Alabama and Missouri — all lean Republican and voted for Trump.


Just food for thought that things maybe aren't as cut and dried as you'd like to think...
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Old 10-31-2022, 08:43 PM
 
Location: New York City
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Try the state level (https://news.yahoo.com/republican-co...x0voKk1pAyPPUL):

But a comparison of violent crime rates in jurisdictions controlled by Democrats and Republicans tells a very different story. In fact, a new study from the center-left think tank Third Way shows that states won by Trump in the 2020 election have higher murder rates than those carried by Joe Biden. The highest murder rates, the study found, are often in conservative, rural states.

The study found that murder rates in the 25 states Trump carried in 2020 are 40% higher overall than in the states Biden won. (The report used 2020 data because 2021 data is not yet fully available.) The five states with the highest per capita murder rate — Mississippi, Louisiana, Kentucky, Alabama and Missouri — all lean Republican and voted for Trump.


Just food for thought that things maybe aren't as cut and dried as you'd like to think...
yeah we get it, "don't believe your lying eyes"

just trust Democrats in power because you just don't know as much as the experts
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Old 10-31-2022, 09:30 PM
 
Location: U.S.
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Crime in NYC is lower than every year of Rudy's term for the 7 major felonies
Now? Felony crimes are lower statistically than in the early 2000’s? Wow. Oh, and no proof too.
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Old 10-31-2022, 09:36 PM
 
Location: Honolulu/DMV Area/NYC
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Keep this in mind when the left inevitably tries to push back with "but crime is going up in red states, too" This may be true, but one needs to look at where in red states crime is going up. And even if it is sometimes going up in red areas, are the perps from these red areas within red states or are they from blue cities that have passed foolish cashless bail laws and the perps are free to roam around until/unless they actually get caught in a jurisdiction that is serious about crime.
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Old 10-31-2022, 09:43 PM
 
Location: Honolulu/DMV Area/NYC
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Crime in NYC is lower than every year of Rudy's term for the 7 major felonies
But that's the wrong conversation to be having. Problem is that crime is trending in the wrong direction than it did under Giuliani. As an example, there were 2,016 homicides the year that Giuliani took office and stood at 960 the year he left office: https://www.disastercenter.com/crime/nycrime.htm Bloomberg's reign, continuing with the same policing policies implemented by Giuliani, saw 644 homicides a year when he left office.

Now, by then, due to gentrification and a whole host of other things, regular policing still promised to produce good results as gangbangers and the such were being priced out and DAs were still generally doing their jobs with locking up the criminals that remained (as the law allowed). Thus, even de Blasio continued to see crime decrease generally. But that the downward trend, predictably, is being reserved due to the consequences of the "summer of law," anti-police, criminal justice "reform" measures put into place by Democrats. For context, serious crime is already up nearly 40% in NYC for 2022 compared to 2021: https://nypost.com/2022/09/04/bad-gu...surges-in-nyc/
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Old 10-31-2022, 09:55 PM
 
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But that's the wrong conversation to be having. Problem is that crime is trending in the wrong direction than it did under Giuliani. As an example, there were 2,016 homicides the year that Giuliani took office and stood at 960 the year he left office: https://www.disastercenter.com/crime/nycrime.htm Bloomberg's reign, continuing with the same policing policies implemented by Giuliani, saw 644 homicides a year when he left office.

Now, by then, due to gentrification and a whole host of other things, regular policing still promised to produce good results as gangbangers and the such were being priced out and DAs were still generally doing their jobs with locking up the criminals that remained (as the law allowed). Thus, even de Blasio continued to see crime decrease generally. But that the downward trend, predictably, is being reserved due to the consequences of the "summer of law," anti-police, criminal justice "reform" measures put into place by Democrats. For context, serious crime is already up nearly 40% in NYC for 2022 compared to 2021: https://nypost.com/2022/09/04/bad-gu...surges-in-nyc/
Few of the policing policies instituted by Giuliani work in the long run, and some were just plain unconstitutional, like stop and frisk.

In Houston, people complain about crime, but yell and scream when it's pointed out that more police takes more money, and the brilliant Republicans pushed through a charter amendment in 2004 that limits how much money Houston can raise in property taxes. As it is now, police and fire budgets exceed property tax collections. The vast majority of the rest of tax revenues come from sales taxes, and those can't be raised either, and only go up when people spend more money.
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Old 10-31-2022, 10:12 PM
 
Location: USA
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Not heard that Portugal was the new Amsterdam of drugs.
Didn't they try the whole free needle thing in San Fransico only to have people shooting up and poopping in the streets
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