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Old 11-14-2022, 06:31 AM
 
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Do you really think that in two years young voters will be stupid enough to believe the student loan eradication bull **** all over again?


Republicans took the House and are up some 6,000,000 votes over Democrats this year with DeSantes in the on-deck circle.


Still haven't heard who might be running on the Dem side...giggles maybe?
So you think younger votes voted because of student loans?

Interesting.

I think it is a mix of things. Both parties are really aggressive in encouraging people to vote. I do think abortion is an issue.

And while Republicans kept saying 'iinflation, inflation, inflatrion'...they gave no plan for what to do about inflation You just can't point out a problem with no solutions and expect people to think you are capable of solving the problem.

And do you know something we don't.

Who has announced that they are running in 2024? Republican or Democrat, giggles or not...nobody has yet to announce.

Maybe tomorrow Trump will or maybe not.

I'm not convinced that's the big announcement. Could be....but so far nobody has made the big announcement.

Last edited by moneill; 11-14-2022 at 07:21 AM..

 
Old 11-14-2022, 07:19 AM
 
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Originally Posted by DorianRo View Post
Young voter turnout stops the red wave and even millions more blue voters reaching voting age within 2 years



Sadly, you're probably right. Young people are woke as hell, and ballot-by-mail policies have overcome their natural laziness and inertia, at least in blue and swing states that have implemented it. Of course, this is a double edged sword for Democrats. Yes, it gives you numbers and therefore power, but could very well exacerbate the internal war because the youth don't think the party goes nearly far enough. To illustrate:


https://www.yahoo.com/news/bike-thie...153718678.html


and the source article behind a paywall:


https://www.nytimes.com/2022/11/12/b...mentsContainer




Several mentions of new, young elected officials that won't even call themselves Democrats and are so woke that they won't let the original, Ben & Jerry's hippie democrats (you know, the ones that elected Bernie Sanders as their socialist mayor in the 80's) actually try and fix anything their new woke policies have created.


All we can do is try and insulate ourselves by moving to economically viable parts of intensely Red states and taking steps to be prepared for anything.
 
Old 11-14-2022, 08:20 AM
 
Location: NH
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And here I sit as an Independent wondering how anyone could or would want to support the Democrats given the current Administration. It essentially boils down to voting for a party without regard to policy unfortunately and this mentality is ruining the country.
 
Old 11-14-2022, 08:22 AM
 
Location: Free State of Florida
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43,000,000 former and current students stood to benefit, & most had Thousands of Dollars on the line, so of course it impacted votes...human nature...no links needed....common sense.

Now, they feel betrayed, & angry, and so are those people close to these lenders...friends & family. Maybe 100,000,000 voters now know of this vote buying scheme, that failed to pay out...a purely evil violation of young voters trust. It will come back to haunt Libs in 2024.

I've posted the Republican "Commitment to America" plan here ad nauseum, yet Libs still say Pubs had no plan...FALSE! For the 100th time, here it is....again:

https://www.republicanleader.gov/commitment/

Voters could drill down to get more detail by clicking on a topic, so it was well designed, & provided the amount of detail you wanted. In short, the inflation solution was less fed gov't spending.

"The Commitment to America Plan" wasnt as well publisized as it should have been. Every Pub candidate should have been using pieces of it that they saw relevant to their campaign, but I saw very little of that.

WHERE WAS THE DEMOCRAT PLAN? I've asked every time I've posted the Pub plan link, & have yet to see a reply.

Abortion is an issue to 9% of voters I read in a poll...inflation was many times more critical. Most Americans want abortions to be legal upto ~13 weeks...after that it gets fuzzy. This is not out of line with many of the Pub candidates who ran, but they stayed mum on it...bad decision. The SCOTUS decision was also not well communicated by Pubs...another poor decision.

The Pubs will retake the House & that was job #1. The Lib agenda is dead in the water for 2 years.

In 2024 Libs have 23 senate seats to defend, while the Pubs have just 10. Odds are Pub retake the Senate at that time. This time around the numbers favored Dems.

I'm from Florida, & we destroyed Libs here, so I couldn't be happier.

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Originally Posted by moneill View Post
So you think younger votes voted because of student loans?

Interesting.

I think it is a mix of things. Both parties are really aggressive in encouraging people to vote. I do think abortion is an issue.

And while Republicans kept saying 'iinflation, inflation, inflatrion'...they gave no plan for what to do about inflation You just can't point out a problem with no solutions and expect people to think you are capable of solving the problem.

And do you know something we don't.

Who has announced that they are running in 2024? Republican or Democrat, giggles or not...nobody has yet to announce.

Maybe tomorrow Trump will or maybe not.

I'm not convinced that's the big announcement. Could be....but so far nobody has made the big announcement.
 
Old 11-14-2022, 08:39 AM
 
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So now we are adjusting what the pre-election forecasts were.

The red wave gone, just getting a hold of the House -- that's all....doesn't matter if the Dems keep the Senate.

That's a convenient shift in the forecast.

With inflationi high, voters did not give Republicans a clear mandate for anything. If it was the number one concern, it is clear nobody though the Republicans had a plan to fix it.

If in 2 years inflation has waned, unemployment stays low, wht will the number one issue be?
 
Old 11-14-2022, 09:38 AM
 
Location: West Virginia
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Originally Posted by moneill View Post
So you think younger votes voted because of student loans?

Interesting.

I think it is a mix of things. Both parties are really aggressive in encouraging people to vote. I do think abortion is an issue.

And while Republicans kept saying 'iinflation, inflation, inflatrion'...they gave no plan for what to do about inflation You just can't point out a problem with no solutions and expect people to think you are capable of solving the problem.

And do you know something we don't.

Who has announced that they are running in 2024? Republican or Democrat, giggles or not...nobody has yet to announce.

Maybe tomorrow Trump will or maybe not.

I'm not convinced that's the big announcement. Could be....but so far nobody has made the big announcement.
I am beginning to think one of the reasons the young vote dem aside from the image of the GOP is an issue not talked about. Permissiveness. With the dems they are never at fault, forgiven with out question, and told it isn't your fault.

It's like the difference between the teacher who is cool and tells jokes and doesn't expect much. The other side is the guy who is too serious thinks the problem with children is the banning of the paddle and gives you an F for be8ng incomplete if one single paper isn't returned.


We could debate the merits of the approach but we know that most young people take teacher easy going.
 
Old 11-14-2022, 09:41 AM
 
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Haha that’s a lot of talk, the only reason Dems are in power is because every 50/50 race continues to break their way since 2020, you don’t realize how close you are to losing. Once Republicans neutralize mail in voting and invest money in analytics to find areas to ballot harvest like Dems do they will start winning. You have to play dirty to beat the Dems because they aren’t afraid to do anything it takes to win, their base is lunatics whose happiness is decided by who wins elections, they stop at nothing.
 
Old 11-14-2022, 10:42 AM
 
Location: Philaburbia
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Originally Posted by ColoradoOnMyMind View Post
Once Republicans neutralize mail in voting
Like in Florida?

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You have to play dirty to beat the Dems because they aren’t afraid to do anything it takes to win, their base is lunatics whose happiness is decided by who wins elections, they stop at nothing.
Exhibit A on why the "red wave" was just a spot.
 
Old 11-14-2022, 11:35 AM
 
Location: Free State of Florida
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Originally Posted by moneill View Post
So now we are adjusting what the pre-election forecasts were.

The red wave gone, just getting a hold of the House -- that's all....doesn't matter if the Dems keep the Senate.

That's a convenient shift in the forecast.

With inflationi high, voters did not give Republicans a clear mandate for anything. If it was the number one concern, it is clear nobody though the Republicans had a plan to fix it.

If in 2 years inflation has waned, unemployment stays low, wht will the number one issue be?
I can only pray that its unsustainable gov't spending, and how interest on the debt is exploding. By 2024, interest payments will exceed $500,000,000,000 (that's 500 Billion), & here will be the top 3 line items:

1) Social Security

2) Defense

3) Medicare

4) Interest on the debt (fastest growing out of the top 4)

By 2030, Interest will jump over medicare in annual cost. Printing Monopoly money increases inflation, so that option is coming off the table.

By 2024, gov't spending will exceed 1/2 of GDP, which is everything we make. It has grown 500% since 1932.
 
Old 11-14-2022, 12:18 PM
 
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I can only pray that its unsustainable gov't spending, and how interest on the debt is exploding. By 2024, interest payments will exceed $500,000,000,000 (that's 500 Billion), & here will be the top 3 line items:

1) Social Security

2) Defense

3) Medicare

4) Interest on the debt (fastest growing out of the top 4)

By 2030, Interest will jump over medicare in annual cost. Printing Monopoly money increases inflation, so that option is coming off the table.

By 2024, gov't spending will exceed 1/2 of GDP, which is everything we make. It has grown 500% since 1932.
IIRC Medicare and national debt interest is more than defense.

And unlike defense, Socialist Insecurity and Mediwelfare are enumerated nowhere in the Constitution.
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