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Who are these families? Is there a list somewhere?
The wealthiest family I think are the Walton's, but they are new money. Gates...new money. Koch...new money...Musk, Bezos, Carghill, all new money.
Most old money gets blown in just 2 generations. I'd be interested to learn who the legacy money is.
There are plenty of families out there from old money, and doing quite well. The family of Louis XIV of France (the Boubons) are doing quite well to this day. The Habsburgs who ruled for nearly 900 years in Europe did not vanish. Old banking families such as the Rothschilds are still pulling strings. Many make no waves, stay in the background. After all they have centuries of experience in power, government and money, and plenty of it.
Who are these families? Is there a list somewhere?
The wealthiest family I think are the Walton's, but they are new money. Gates...new money. Koch...new money...Musk, Bezos, Carghill, all new money.
Most old money gets blown in just 2 generations. I'd be interested to learn who the legacy money is.
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Originally Posted by jmking
There are plenty of families out there from old money, and doing quite well. The family of Louis XIV of France (the Boubons) are doing quite well to this day. The Habsburgs who ruled for nearly 900 years in Europe did not vanish. Old banking families such as the Rothschilds are still pulling strings. Many make no waves, stay in the background. After all they have centuries of experience in power, government and money, and plenty of it.
Old money derives its wealth from existing socio-economic structures. I do not think old money is trying to destroy the western values that their ancestors worked so hard to create. I think the destruction of western values is coming from the new money, especially those into the green tech revolution. Look at names like Gore, Clinton, Gates, Steyer, Soros, Zuckerberg, Obama and Pelosi.
Old money derives its wealth from existing socio-economic structures. I do not think old money is trying to destroy the western values that their ancestors worked so hard to create. I think the destruction of western values is coming from the new money, especially those into the green tech revolution. Look at names like Gore, Clinton, Gates, Steyer, Soros, Zuckerberg, Obama and Pelosi.
To align with old values. Consolidated power, wealth perhaps. Plenty of money and power unfortunately seems to effect humans' ego with no bounds, no end. Egyptian pharaohs proclaimed they were gods. Roman dictators, after a time consolidated their power, proclaimed they were gods. Many European Kings and Queens proclaimed they were ordained by God. Modern days?.........
Gore, the Clintons, Obama and Pelosi are just errand boys for the likes of Steyer, Soros, etc.....Wall Street rules.
it’s not just puppet masters, its a few categories of people:
1. there are a few characters with a lot of money who are experts at setting up corporate entities to donate to their pet causes. they are either insidious or truly believe they are helping society.
2. the political/ruling class. always falling over themselves to say whatever platitude keeps them in power. power is money. money is respect. mostly low intelligence people but they can get a law degree and have plenty of funds from the 1st group to get reelected for a lifetime
3. the influencers, basically the same as #2 except instead of political power they have power of celebrity. they have to keep to themselves or scream the talking points from the mountains to retain their acceptance
4. the corporate class: they make up large companies in all sectors. they attend the same fundraisers and parties as 1 -3. they have to stick to the narrative or face pressure from the above groups
5. the vocal general public feed into the narrative with their mob mentality. all groups feed into each other. the minority opinions are silenced, cancelled and dangerous. now don’t get me wrong, if the unpopular opinions were mainstream and the popular opinions were fringe, the same result would occur. people always feed the mob no matter what side they are on. most normal people are caught in the middle of all this.
This tho Im not sure I would use the same groups
1) "Cultural Marxists" though not really Marxists if you read the Karl Marx book. Elements yes. But it is more a cultural thing. This would include purists at the furthest fringe and hangers on in progressive circles.
2) Corporatoracy. Willing to go with the cultural marxists to maintain favorable tax/ antitrust treatment and ability to bribe congress. This includes mass media and social networks.
I dont think there is someone(s) at the center directing it all. Think of the jellyfish model.
This is the ultimate question and it must be answered because the US (western Europe too) is going in a direction that is similar to the periods of the Bolshevik revolution before WW1 and the Weimar Republic before WW2. The texture of society is eroding in a similar pattern and WW3 has never been so tangible.
Traditional western values of morality, not strictly in the religious sense, but simply the individual values of being upstanding, being honest, behaving like good neighbors with each other and promoting a healthy family structure are being systematically deconstructed. Up to about the millennium, this structure was more or less stable and intact.
The sudden and radical systemic changes do not seem to be organic. The American society had good foundations and good people. The US has been a highly patriotic nation (regardless of individual party sympathy), very united, high trust and cohesive, much more so than Europe. It was the norm up until about 10-20 years ago.
It takes a lot to completely reverse the societal dynamics of a nation with such strong fundamental values. It takes a lot the break the collective consciousness of people that share powerful and deeply rooted common ideals of the meaning of good and evil.
There is no other explanation but to presume the existence of an entity – an internal threat - that works against the organically developed American values and which wants to weaken and ultimately demolish everything that the USA has been traditionally standing for.
It used to be the land of the free but its become the big brother police state control grid.
The nine eleven attack changed everything.
Another thing that wrecked patriotism was the fall of the USSR. Before that happened people rejected big brother police state stuff. It was important not to be like them.
Well Europe is pretty successful. China is also pretty successful now after suffering their growing pains.
China is successful because Nixon was stupid enough to open the door for them. Was/is Kissinger a red mole? Could be. The Soviets have been sending agents of influence to the West since the USSR was formed.
And while commie countries have a tendency to be crapholes for most of the citizens, ergo commies are not good at running countries, they ARE good at infiltrating, gaining control, and flipping organizations and political parties in other countries.
Look at Disney. If Walt were around, he'd fire everybody.
China is successful because we gave them a chance. They've been stealing our tech and corrupting our higher-ups ever since. If not for that, they would still be a dirt-poor low- or no-tech nation of fishermen and rice farmers.
It's amazing and disheartening how many otherwise intelligent and talented people can be bought so cheap.
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If not to protect the puppetmasters then why?
